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<div class="quote">FortressMaximus wrote:<div class="quote">Deackychu wrote: people are lazy and don't know how to cite sources</div>[http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/origin-ova/rcx-76-02.htm I've never seen a single MAHQ profile page any sort of bibliography or reference list]. The majority of Gundam Wiki's articles may not have one (or do have one that isn't not utilised) but some of us are making the effort to change that.
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<div class="quote">FortressMaximus wrote:<div class="quote">Deackychu wrote: people are lazy and don't know how to cite sources</div>[http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/origin-ova/rcx-76-02.htm I've never seen a single MAHQ profile page any sort of bibliography or reference list]. The majority of Gundam Wiki's articles may not have one (or do have one that isn't not utilised) but some of us are making the effort to change that.</div>Let's put it this way. MAHQ is operated by one person therefore any sort of "fault" lies with him. However, he isn't arbitrarily posting random information he stumbles upon online, therefore his credit is considerably higher than the Wiki. Plus, he doesn't run random jibberish through an online translator either. Ergo, I don't understand the random link you posted. Nothing on there is dubious information.</div>
Let's put it this way. MAHQ is operated by one person therefore any sort of "fault" lies with him. However, he isn't arbitrarily posting random information he stumbles upon online, therefore his credit is considerably higher than the Wiki. Plus, he doesn't run random jibberish through an online translator either. Ergo, I don't understand the random link you posted. Nothing on there is dubious information. With MAHQ, a bulk of what was originally presented was a port over from Burke Rukes MechaDomain from the early 2000s, but even back then Burke was very dilligent in referencing materials (which was noted in updates and what not if memory serves me). Plus, a vast majority of the profiles have been updated over the years (through contributions from myself and others). One could provide a multitude of sources for information on there, but considering that his track record is a lot better, there really isn't much of a reason to (plus in the instances there are errors, things can easily be pointed out in the forum).</div>
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[http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Millennium_Falcon/Legends#Notes_and_references This is the kind of thing I would like to see on what is supposed to be an encylopedia on fictional machines]; book title, page numbers. I couldn't see any sort of Bibliography on the MAHQ webpage I linked to, but we're at least starting to here. I can have ''faith'' the information is truer on MAHQ than it is here, but I'd rather have ''citations''. We can't just take one person's word for it; multiple sources that back each other up are even better.
[http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Millennium_Falcon/Legends#Notes_and_references This is the kind of thing I would like to see on what is supposed to be an encylopedia on fictional machines]; book title, page numbers. I couldn't see any sort of Bibliography on the MAHQ webpage I linked to, but we're at least starting to here. I can have ''faith'' the information is truer on MAHQ than it is here, but I'd rather have ''citations''.
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<div class="quote">With MAHQ, a bulk of what was originally presented was a port over from Burke Rukes MechaDomain from the early 2000s, but even back then Burke was very dilligent in referencing materials</div>
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So where are the references? Why can't I see them for each individual mecha profile? How can I know which piece of info came from which resource?
   
 
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While citations would be amazing, I doubt there would ever be any sort of thing happening here. The Japanese Wiki (for a multitude of Gundam articles) is actually pretty great about referecing where certain information came from (ex. B-CLUB Issue 28, page 116). Whereas on here, someone slaps up a photo in the reference section and says info came from that when it... didn't.</div>
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(which was noted in updates and what not if memory serves me). Plus, a vast majority of the profiles have been updated over the years (through contributions from myself and others).</div>
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Sources in updates, how inconvenient...a problem that we also have (and are trying to discourage) people mention the source in their edit summary but not the article itself, so you have to browse back through an article's history page to see the source when it would just be better at the bottom of the article.
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<div class="quote">One could provide a multitude of sources for information on there, but considering that his track record is a lot better, there really isn't much of a reason to.</div>There's always a reason to, a paper written by a genius professor still needs a bibliography.
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<div class="quote">While citations would be amazing, I doubt there would ever be any sort of thing happening here. The Japanese Wiki (for a multitude of Gundam articles) is actually pretty great about referecing where certain information came from (ex. B-CLUB Issue 28, page 116). Whereas on here, someone slaps up a photo in the reference section and says info came from that when it... didn't.</div>
 
FYI, merely adding an untranslated image to a gallery and calling it a reference is something [https://gundam.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:93108 I've discouraged] and [https://gundam.wikia.com/wiki/SB-011_Star_Burning_Gundam?diff=prev&oldid=370816 removed] many, many times:
 
FYI, merely adding an untranslated image to a gallery and calling it a reference is something [https://gundam.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:93108 I've discouraged] and [https://gundam.wikia.com/wiki/SB-011_Star_Burning_Gundam?diff=prev&oldid=370816 removed] many, many times:
   
<div class="quote"> Or they'll link to the official Japanese site and still run it through a machine translation. Then there's also assumptions... which leads to the dissemination of false information. Example: everyone was so quick to toss up the Sinanju Stein on the Narrative page without even realizing it's not the same unit from past series (i.e. the game, MSV collection, manga, etc).  
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<div class="quote">Or they'll link to the official Japanese site and still run it through a machine translation. Then there's also assumptions... which leads to the dissemination of false information. Example: everyone was so quick to toss up the Sinanju Stein on the Narrative page without even realizing it's not the same unit from past series (i.e. the game, MSV collection, manga, etc).  </div>
</div>Pointing users the original Japanese source is better than nothing at all.
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Pointing users the original Japanese source is better than nothing at all.

Latest revision as of 20:40, August 19, 2018

Deackychu wrote:

FortressMaximus wrote:
Deackychu wrote: people are lazy and don't know how to cite sources
I've never seen a single MAHQ profile page any sort of bibliography or reference list. The majority of Gundam Wiki's articles may not have one (or do have one that isn't not utilised) but some of us are making the effort to change that.
Let's put it this way. MAHQ is operated by one person therefore any sort of "fault" lies with him. However, he isn't arbitrarily posting random information he stumbles upon online, therefore his credit is considerably higher than the Wiki. Plus, he doesn't run random jibberish through an online translator either. Ergo, I don't understand the random link you posted. Nothing on there is dubious information.

This is the kind of thing I would like to see on what is supposed to be an encylopedia on fictional machines; book title, page numbers. I couldn't see any sort of Bibliography on the MAHQ webpage I linked to, but we're at least starting to here. I can have faith the information is truer on MAHQ than it is here, but I'd rather have citations. We can't just take one person's word for it; multiple sources that back each other up are even better.

With MAHQ, a bulk of what was originally presented was a port over from Burke Rukes MechaDomain from the early 2000s, but even back then Burke was very dilligent in referencing materials

So where are the references? Why can't I see them for each individual mecha profile? How can I know which piece of info came from which resource?

(which was noted in updates and what not if memory serves me). Plus, a vast majority of the profiles have been updated over the years (through contributions from myself and others).

Sources in updates, how inconvenient...a problem that we also have (and are trying to discourage) people mention the source in their edit summary but not the article itself, so you have to browse back through an article's history page to see the source when it would just be better at the bottom of the article.

One could provide a multitude of sources for information on there, but considering that his track record is a lot better, there really isn't much of a reason to.
There's always a reason to, a paper written by a genius professor still needs a bibliography.
While citations would be amazing, I doubt there would ever be any sort of thing happening here. The Japanese Wiki (for a multitude of Gundam articles) is actually pretty great about referecing where certain information came from (ex. B-CLUB Issue 28, page 116). Whereas on here, someone slaps up a photo in the reference section and says info came from that when it... didn't.

FYI, merely adding an untranslated image to a gallery and calling it a reference is something I've discouraged and removed many, many times:

Or they'll link to the official Japanese site and still run it through a machine translation. Then there's also assumptions... which leads to the dissemination of false information. Example: everyone was so quick to toss up the Sinanju Stein on the Narrative page without even realizing it's not the same unit from past series (i.e. the game, MSV collection, manga, etc).  

Pointing users the original Japanese source is better than nothing at all.

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