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  • I understand that you take these info literally from translation but please correct it. Also, try to observe carefully that there are certain machine translation that does not follow the original word properly.

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    • I know he uses official source like what you linked above but some of it were flat-out machine translations and he didn't even bother to fix it, let alone using it.

      For example, when he created Ayame's page, it was named Iris because the machine translation interpret アヤメ as one. The link above is my own evidence.

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    • Yeah, Pedro also re-uploaded a JPG image that was identical to an already uploaded PNG image I uploaded a while ago...

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    • Also, look at the reply to the "Please follow the Image Policy" section below.

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    • Ooofff

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    • It was mangled so badly, he didn't realize "Martha Bist Cavaine" is Martha Vist Carbine.

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    • FortressMaximus wrote: It was mangled so badly, he didn't realize "Martha Bist Cavaine" is Martha Vist Carbine.

      This is why you don't use Google Translate and such.

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    • When I published the first images, my intention was to use the images and information from the official website but I do not know why when I wanted to access the page it came out as an error. Then use as a source a page which had already translated a bit of the content that had been seen in the teaser.
      I use google translator to translate from Japanese to English, but I have seen that the translations are not all accurate.

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    • If you know the translation is incorrect, then why not fixing it? Its like you know its trash, but keep making a bigger trash.

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    • I did not know that the translation was incorrect until I entered the Gundam Kits Collection page, and that was long after I created the pages and when I had the time to start editing and some editors had corrected the errors they had made when using Google translator for my account.

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    • I would pull up Bing Translator (actually pretty decent and sometimes better than Google) and Google Translate together and see which one makes sense. It helps if you have multiple translators.

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    • In other wki, I combined the use of machine translations and my knowledge in Japanese. I know katakana a bit and look up for certain kanji that I unsure of.

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    • Or you can just not use machine translation since it's quite inaccurate. But then again, why bother stopping now when 80+% of the wiki is made up or machine translated anyways?

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    • I made a long post here, but ultimately decided to not post it. So lets just keep it short.

      Problem A Yes, machine translation is quite inaccurate. And yes, it make up a good chunk of this place.

      Problem B But unfortunately, that's what most people here have since people who known to make proper translation refuse to do so. And has a barely passable work is still better than nothing.

      Addendum No, make sarcasm about it won't fix it. So I make the post above sound more like Bond's one liner.

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    • Deackychu wrote: Or you can just not use machine translation since it's quite inaccurate.

      I saw what you originally wrote. That's really...what's the word...arrogant coming from someone who just sits around and whines about it instead of actually doing something. If you have time to whine about people using machine translations you have time to translate it yourself. Oh, and work on the Reconguista in G pages while you're at it. My brother won't stop whining to me about the lack of information on mechs.

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    • Oh that's charming. Editing my post because it contains something factual and he doesn't want to hear it. Don't edit my stuff Kuruni. It's one thing if it's on an actual page, but don't censor me in a discussion where it matters just because you don't like it. It's childish and absurd and one hell of an overreach. Instead of rushing to put out so many new pages to keep up, perhaps a focus should be spent on a bunch of the stuff that fans ran through a machine translator? Then again, you could always just check MAHQ and paraphrase that material since that's also a bulk of the stuff here too...  

      Actually KachiExa, I don't just sit around and not do anything about it. I run my own website, I translate Gundam manga and novels for the masses. I correct errors that this site puts out through my own blog where I can. Is it a struggle? Hell yes. Many times on here, I'll just delete innaccurate information with a note for someone else to redo it. Have I tried correcting things in the past here? Absolutely. Was it worth it? Not really. Edit wars started because asinine fans refused to let go of what they believed was right (no, it was not the mods). I can cite sources I translate until I'm blue in the face but when it comes to fan site like this there is no winning if some people don't agree (let's look at the idiotic G-Saviour status for example). Besides, most of the material that I posted/scanned/edit on my own site has been lifted and slapped on here anyways (and still is) because people are lazy and don't know how to cite sources let alone search for information on their own. 

      Also, don't tell me what to work on. I'm not your bitch (or anyones). If your brother is so desperate for info (which isn't all that detailed for that series anyways) then maybe he should look elsewhere. There are lots of posts out there with info on them! 

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    • Did you try writing a "Sources" section at the bottom of the article and write them out in proper citations?

      While I need to revise more of the SD Gundam pages to add that, I've done it for the Zero Gundam page, which has yet to have information changed on it ever since I translated it. (Though the History on that page is a wall of text because I used the manga and I can't summarize.)

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    • Deackychu wrote: people are lazy and don't know how to cite sources

      I've never seen a single MAHQ profile page any sort of bibliography or reference list. The majority of Gundam Wiki's articles may not have one (or do have one that isn't not utilised) but some of us are making the effort to change that.

      KachiExa wrote: Did you try writing a "Sources" section at the bottom of the article and write them out in proper citations?

      Something we all need to do.

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    • Deackychu wrote: Oh that's charming. Editing my post because it contains something factual and he doesn't want to hear it. Don't edit my stuff Kuruni. It's one thing if it's on an actual page, but don't censor me in a discussion where it matters just because you don't like it. It's childish and absurd and one hell of an overreach.

      Fine, whatever. Look like you stop to care after all.

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    • FortressMaximus wrote:
      Deackychu wrote: people are lazy and don't know how to cite sources
      I've never seen a single MAHQ profile page any sort of bibliography or reference list. The majority of Gundam Wiki's articles may not have one (or do have one that isn't not utilised) but some of us are making the effort to change that.

      Let's put it this way. MAHQ is operated by one person therefore any sort of "fault" lies with him. However, he isn't arbitrarily posting random information he stumbles upon online, therefore his credit is considerably higher than the Wiki. Plus, he doesn't run random jibberish through an online translator either. Ergo, I don't understand the random link you posted. Nothing on there is dubious information. With MAHQ, a bulk of what was originally presented was a port over from Burke Rukes MechaDomain from the early 2000s, but even back then Burke was very dilligent in referencing materials (which was noted in updates and what not if memory serves me). Plus, a vast majority of the profiles have been updated over the years (through contributions from myself and others). One could provide a multitude of sources for information on there, but considering that his track record is a lot better, there really isn't much of a reason to (plus in the instances there are errors, things can easily be pointed out in the forum). 

      While citations would be amazing, I doubt there would ever be any sort of thing happening here. The Japanese Wiki (for a multitude of Gundam articles) is actually pretty great about referecing where certain information came from (ex. B-CLUB Issue 28, page 116). Whereas on here, someone slaps up a photo in the reference section and says info came from that when it... didn't. Or they'll link to the official Japanese site and still run it through a machine translation. Then there's also assumptions... which leads to the dissemination of false information. Example: everyone was so quick to toss up the Sinanju Stein on the Narrative page without even realizing it's not the same unit from past series (i.e. the game, MSV collection, manga, etc).  

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    • Deackychu wrote:

      FortressMaximus wrote:
      Deackychu wrote: people are lazy and don't know how to cite sources
      I've never seen a single MAHQ profile page any sort of bibliography or reference list. The majority of Gundam Wiki's articles may not have one (or do have one that isn't not utilised) but some of us are making the effort to change that.
      Let's put it this way. MAHQ is operated by one person therefore any sort of "fault" lies with him. However, he isn't arbitrarily posting random information he stumbles upon online, therefore his credit is considerably higher than the Wiki. Plus, he doesn't run random jibberish through an online translator either. Ergo, I don't understand the random link you posted. Nothing on there is dubious information.

      This is the kind of thing I would like to see on what is supposed to be an encylopedia on fictional machines; book title, page numbers. I couldn't see any sort of Bibliography on the MAHQ webpage I linked to, but we're at least starting to here. I can have faith the information is truer on MAHQ than it is here, but I'd rather have citations. We can't just take one person's word for it; multiple sources that back each other up are even better.

      With MAHQ, a bulk of what was originally presented was a port over from Burke Rukes MechaDomain from the early 2000s, but even back then Burke was very dilligent in referencing materials

      So where are the references? Why can't I see them for each individual mecha profile? How can I know which piece of info came from which resource?

      (which was noted in updates and what not if memory serves me). Plus, a vast majority of the profiles have been updated over the years (through contributions from myself and others).

      Sources in updates, how inconvenient...a problem that we also have (and are trying to discourage) people mention the source in their edit summary but not the article itself, so you have to browse back through an article's history page to see the source when it would just be better at the bottom of the article.

      One could provide a multitude of sources for information on there, but considering that his track record is a lot better, there really isn't much of a reason to.
      There's always a reason to, a paper written by a genius professor still needs a bibliography.
      While citations would be amazing, I doubt there would ever be any sort of thing happening here. The Japanese Wiki (for a multitude of Gundam articles) is actually pretty great about referecing where certain information came from (ex. B-CLUB Issue 28, page 116). Whereas on here, someone slaps up a photo in the reference section and says info came from that when it... didn't.

      FYI, merely adding an untranslated image to a gallery and calling it a reference is something I've discouraged and removed many, many times:

      Or they'll link to the official Japanese site and still run it through a machine translation. Then there's also assumptions... which leads to the dissemination of false information. Example: everyone was so quick to toss up the Sinanju Stein on the Narrative page without even realizing it's not the same unit from past series (i.e. the game, MSV collection, manga, etc).  

      Pointing users the original Japanese source is better than nothing at all.

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