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  • Personally, I think it's best if a time machine was made so that we could warn Tomino of his eventual errors and get Origin, the original show, and perhaps the rest of the UC universe straightened out together, but I digress. The whole thing surrounding the Zeon concept is fascinating, but it deals with poor or corrupt handlers. Anyone else have an opinion? [1] And here's the information from the Origin website. [2]

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    • [1] This is pretty much an essay on, apparently, a more sympathetic Gihren Zabi.

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    • Let's be honest: Zeon Deikun was essentially a New-Age Karl Marx (seriously, Zeon's famous speech is eerily similar to a lot of what Marx was saying in his Communist Manifesto).  

      Don't see too many people sympathizing with Communists, do we?  I'd think it would be the same for the Zeon sympathizers.  At one time I did sympathize with Zeon's ideals, but when the Republic willfully desolved itself and rejoined the Earth Federation in late UC, I now see Zeon as a bunch of sell-outs.

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    • I actually think the whole Zeon naming shtick reeks a little of ego, even if Zeon Deikun never intended for it to happen. I'd rather name him Con Tol Deikun in place of his original name and the Zeon thing would refer to his promised paradise of Newtypes before being reinterpreted by the Zabis as a new golden age for all mankind under their rule. I was actually thinking that the Principality economy was based on a command market system. I think Deikun meant well, not counting that weird, contradictory behavior of his in The Origin. He just didn't realize, probably like Marx, that there's more options for Humanity than self-exile into space. And it's not that I don't find the Cosmo Babylonia, Zanscare, and Jupiter empires interesting, but the age around that contradicts slightly with the better future that was hinted at the end of Unicorn. Which leaves us two options: accept Unicorn's inevitable failure to change things, or think of it like the difference between the classic and Battle Network Mega Men and hope that when the Republic rejoined the Feds, it was on a more better time. I'm honestly not sure.

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    • I can actually picture someone in-universe saying that Zeonism is like communism under Marx at best and Nazism under Hitler at worst.

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    • Observer Supreme wrote:
      I can actually picture someone in-universe saying that Zeonism is like communism under Marx at best and Nazism under Hitler at worst.

      True, though the Nazism would have been under Ghiren Zabi since his father Deguin said he resimbles Hitler, which Ghiren was actually happy about.

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    • Maybe, but it's always possible that Degwin started out with some bad intentions and Gihren apparently didn't knew much about Hitler other than his conquests in the Middle Ages of human history.

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    • Now that I think about it, Zeon, which refers to some Greek practice or whatever, can very well be an abbreviation of Zenith Unionism, which fits Deikun's philosophy of all mankind unified upon their culmination.

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    • I think Deikun got the whole cradle concept about Earth from one of the founding fathers of rocketry, Konstantin Tsiolkovsky, who said that a planet is the cradle of mind, but that one cannot live in a cradle forever which is usually cited with Earth and Humanity. He even believed that we would eventually colonize our galaxy.

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    • Here's the Greek liturgy thing where Zeon came from. [1]

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    • Although, now that I look at it, the U.C. 0100s might not be as undesirable as I thought.

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    • Probably should've mentioned this earlier, but I'm actually of the opinion that Deikun's environmentalist agenda didn't forbid either returning to Earth someday when the pollution and such dies down or paying visit to other planets and moons within or outside the Solar System. It doesn't say otherwise, does it? From what I understand, immersing yourself in a non-artificial environment would be a relief to some Spacers who could use something more real, and the economic opportunities from resource-rich planets would be a bonus.

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    • Observer Supreme wrote:
      Probably should've mentioned this earlier, but I'm actually of the opinion that Deikun's environmentalist agenda didn't forbid either returning to Earth someday when the pollution and such dies down or paying visit to other planets and moons within or outside the Solar System. It doesn't say otherwise, does it? From what I understand, immersing yourself in a non-artificial environment would be a relief to some Spacers who could use something more real, and the economic opportunities from resource-rich planets would be a bonus.

      Agreed; however, Zeon Deikun believed that humanity had to leave the Earth in order to evolve and become Newtypes, because that was our true destiny.  In Zeta Gundam, Char/Quattro Bajeena gives nearly the same speech as his dad to the Earth Federation right before the famous Dakar battle, and it's what drives him to use Axis as a weapon in Char's Counter-Attack.  Deikun simply wanted a place where people could live peacefully in space and live up to their true potential, but Char saw first-hand how corrupt and weak the Earth-Fed government was, so he resorted to try to forcefully remove humans from Earth.

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    • True.

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