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    Did Amuro surive? evidence 02

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    Taken at ~1:55:37 into the movie. Look at the lower right corner, it shows light of what could potentially be the Nu Gundam's thrusters.
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    • No, plain and simple. Unicorn pretty much confirm that he's dead.

      And you use auto-generate filename for images, that's against our rule.

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    • ok, I see. I haven't finished watching Unicorn yet so I'll finish it

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    • Kuruni wrote:
      No, plain and simple. Unicorn pretty much confirm that he's dead.

      And you use auto-generate filename for images, that's against our rule.

      hmm Unicorn is Non-Canon,Tomino-san never Said Amuro's Dead, Unicorn Gundam Story Write by another Author Not Tomino-san,

      UC Canon Timeline

      Gundam ==> Zeta Gundam ==> ZZ Gundam ==> Char's Counter Attack ==> F91 ==> Victory Gundam. (end of UC for Now)

      Unicorn Gundam's Author Timeline

      Gundam ==> Zeta Gundam ==> ZZ Gundam ==> Beltorchika's Children ( a Novel Where Char and Amuro KIA ) ==> Unicorn Gundam ( End of Zeon and EF War ).

      Unicorn Gundam More Like a Alternate Timeline to me.

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    • So, normal Nu Gundam pushed the Axis in Beltochika's Children?

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    • The canon-shit again. We should stop using it completely, that term doesn't even exist in Sunrise's dictionary.

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    • Bronx01 wrote:
      So, normal Nu Gundam pushed the Axis in Beltochika's Children?


      No the Hi-ν Gundam is simply called the ν Gundam in Beltochika's Children

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    • Normal Nu was shown in Unicorn though. Pushing Axis.

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    • Ya the ν Gundam was seen in the flashback in gundam Unicorn as thats what Sunrise considers offical.

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    • Also, currently UC end with G-Saviour. Officially.

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    • Whether Amuro is actually dead or not (Char as well), it's all up to Tominno-san to determine their fate. I never saw Unicorn, so, I'm gonna say Amuro's MIA at the moment until further confirmation.

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    • Both Amuro and Char are confirmed to be killed in action in Tomino's story; Char's Couterattack Beltochika's Children. Although in the anime, they are considered MIA, although they never reappear. Point is that Tomino wanted Char's Counterattack to be the final appearance of Amuro and Char.

      On another note, canon is so hard to define in the gundam universe since Tomino stopped his involvement after Turn A Gundam. Also Sunrise has said that only the anime(s) are considered truely canon which makes no sense because Tomino himself has written many mangas/novels. I like to think that if it is truely published and doesn't contradict anything then it's canon i guess but who knows.

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    • Necroing the thread, but according to the novelization of Mobile Suit Gundam written by Tomino, Amuro was confirmed killed during the One Year War, by one of Char's Newtype subordinates.

      Tomino's novels, including Beltochika's Children, have obvious differences incompatible to the original animated series/film, and the novels contradict each other as well.  Tomino doesn't care about continunity/canon, his focus is telling stories that touches people.  The only way for everything he writes to be canon, is for the concept of parallel universes to be canon.  In that sense, Amuro and Char are confirmed to be killed in one parallel universe, while only considered MIA in another parallel universe.

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    • the photo novels of Unicorn are not cannon, however the OVA movies are but hear is a little detail pepole seem to have missed there are two cannon UC gundam lines the original tv seires and then the movies. the time lines is such


      UC-1 TV Show/8THMST/0080WIP>0083SM>Zeta-ZZ-\

            - CC-MSGU>F91>V>GS>>RC timeline begins 1014 years later GRG begins.

      UC-2 Movie>Zeta movies>_________________/ UC-3 incomplete.

      in 1 we have the full line of ova and Tv shows telling us what happens in this time kine. in 2 we have changes to the show do to the remaking of MSG into 3 movies and as such some things were added and some things were omitted giving more opportunity for other things to happen. it also changes how CC would palay out in the end as kimille would not have hand his mental melt down from the man from Jupiter. and he would keep piloting a unseen upgraded form of the Z mabye even a completed ZII with alter net specifications and juda starting off in a modifide zeta that is returned dto his ability. and kamille being in the ZII full sepects that woudl be some what diffrent from the version that is cannon. well Judo geting the ZZ.

      3 is what gundam would be if it made is full run of of 52 episodes. also that number 52 is kinda strange as there 52 dc comics universes out there. well that's enough string theory for now.


      in the two timelines CC happens the same. amuro probably died when his psycho frame overloaded causing some type of mental backlash or his head set blowing up killing him or crystallization along with the rest of his suit. the RX-93 most likely survived the incident intact but Char most likely died well the AXIS was falling into the atmosphere as he was only in the escape pod of the sasabi and was rusted. or he could be in the same crystalline shape Amuro is in. the sasabi would also still be mostly intact and was likely salvaged by eather side of the battle but most likly neo zeon or a third party junk colection operation.

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    • What's a MIA?

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    • MIA-Missing in action



      KIA-killed in action

      thought it would be best to exsplain both.

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    • Oh thanks,I already know what KIA is.

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    • Unicorn strongly implied Amuro's spirit lives on, or at least it did before he thought his unfinished task was done or something like that along with Char and Lalah. In episode six, Full Frontal says that Axis Shock was the result of that psycho tech thing in Amuro's Gundam absorbing so much energy to the point it blocked the asteroid's path.

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    • Psycho frame is the word your looking for, and it obsorbed the colective human will of the pilots trying to save earth.

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    • It is in fact entirely possible that Char and Amuro survived the Axis Shock; Their Newtype abilities resonated with each other, yes. They created a psycho field, yes. But Axis was not destroyed, nor did it show anyone burning up in the atmosphere, and the crystallisation was not likely to have occurred in the psychoframe of the nu gundam, it was way too small; it never happened to full frontal's cockpit, did it, when he went BACK IN TIME. 

      Lalah Sune's power had remained along with her cognitive capabilities, and this was linked to Amuro and Char's consciousnesses in turn. Whilst this at first seems like an argument for them being dead, bear in mind this allows remote cognition of the entire newtype spectrum, because a newtype's consciousness can and has, and will, span the entire earth sphere, as shown not only by Banagher's/Riddhe's combined psychofields, but by Char's and Amuro's. They will have both withdrawn into isolation, and from then on monitored the state of the world from there. That, or they died and their consciousnesses lived on, which makes me sad. ish.

      They're probably dead through, they will have had no plausible place to lay low/survive, untraced by EFSF, or even get there, the Nu Gundam wouldn't have had the fuel to get them to a place of habitation, and it had no reentry capabilities, unlike the RX-78 series and MSZ-006.

      One day Bandai/Sunrise will find a way of explaining how they died, or survived.

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    • EVNgelion01 wrote:

      It is in fact entirely possible that Char and Amuro survived the Axis Shock; Their Newtype abilities resonated with each other, yes. They created a psycho field, yes. But Axis was not destroyed, nor did it show anyone burning up in the atmosphere, and the crystallisation was not likely to have occurred in the psychoframe of the nu gundam, it was way too small; it never happened to full frontal's cockpit, did it, when he went BACK IN TIME. 

      Lalah Sune's power had remained along with her cognitive capabilities, and this was linked to Amuro and Char's consciousnesses in turn. Whilst this at first seems like an argument for them being dead, bear in mind this allows remote cognition of the entire newtype spectrum, because a newtype's consciousness can and has, and will, span the entire earth sphere, as shown not only by Banagher's/Riddhe's combined psychofields, but by Char's and Amuro's. They will have both withdrawn into isolation, and from then on monitored the state of the world from there. That, or they died and their consciousnesses lived on, which makes me sad. ish.

      They're probably dead through, they will have had no plausible place to lay low/survive, untraced by EFSF, or even get there, the Nu Gundam wouldn't have had the fuel to get them to a place of habitation, and it had no reentry capabilities, unlike the RX-78 series and MSZ-006.

      One day Bandai/Sunrise will find a way of explaining how they died, or survived.

      Hopefully.

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    • No one knows the true fate of these two eternal rivals.As Tomino himself never confirms it we never knows whether Amuro and Char are dead or simply missing.Amuro himself was confirmed dead in the Tomino's novel version of Gundam TV series yet he was alive in Char's Counter attack (I considered the novel version itself is a non canon version of Gundam TV series).We can only hope Tomino will reveal the official status of these two great person in Gundam universe one day.

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    • Kirasatoshi wrote: No one knows the true fate of these two eternal rivals.As Tomino himself never confirms it we never knows whether Amuro and Char are dead or simply missing.Amuro himself was confirmed dead in the Tomino's novel version of Gundam TV series yet he was alive in Char's Counter attack (I considered the novel version itself is a non canon version of Gundam TV series).We can only hope Tomino will reveal the official status of these two great person in Gundam universe one day.

      Watch Gundam Unicorn someday. I'm sure you'll figure it out.

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    • Amuro died when he was shaken out of his cockpit chair of the Nu gundam and smashed his head onto the panoramic cockpit. or he died when the psycho effect caused the screen in his cockpit to go boom as you see a massive aura of energy came streaming out of it. a third option is both Amuro and Char die from heat stroke from there body temperatures from reentery. the forth option is like what almost happens to B. Links Amuro died after turning to crystal.

      however i feel heat stroke is the best bet for how the two died.

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    • They are dead, Unicorn all but says so. Most likely explanation for the cause of death is that the Nu Gundam exploded due to the excess psychic/newtype energy, much like Mashymre Cello's Zaku III and Chara Soon's Geymalk, but caused a far larger effect due to the two Psycoframes, and Amuro being a stronger Newtype.  Mashymre's "newtype flash" took out a squad of mobile suits, and his Zaku III didn't even have a psycommu system.  The Axis Shock was a result of two newtypes and two psycoframes resonating.  The resulting "newtype flash" would be logically be exponentially bigger.  The explosion likely vaporized the Sazabi's cockpit, and the majority, if not all of the Nu Gundam, killing both Amuro and Char.  The body of the Sazabi was most likely eventually recovered by the EFF,and studied along with the data on the Nu Gundam to develop the Sinanju Stein.

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    • Amuro's "death" doesn't really make sense. I'm aware the Unicorn Gundam is a superior machine to the Nu Gundam, but Amuro overloaded the Nu Gundam's psycoframe to push an asteroid, and Banagher (and Rhidde) overloaded the Unicorn Gundam's (and the Banshee's) psycoframe to block a giant colony laser. Banagher survived and nobody knows what happened to Amuro (although he's probably dead because of what happens in Unicorn), even the Unicorn's shields weren't destroyed (or at least they weren't showed to be destroyed). Also it seems like Banagher overloaded the psycoframe to a much higher extent than Amuro (there was wierd crystal stuff coming out and the armor was falling apart), not to mention he did it twice (Although I'm not sure the first time really counts, it was just to pull a ship out of Earth's gravity which is nothing compared to a giant asteroid). I guess the Unicorn could handle more, but seriously...

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    • The Unicorn is a full Psycoframe machine.  There are Psycoframe materials throughout the entire mobile suit frame, as opposed to the Nu Gundam, which only has the material in it's cockpit.  It would seem logical that the Unicorn would have a significantly higher maximum output and tolerance for psychic energy than the Nu Gundam, since its entire body is designed to respond to a newtype.

      I look at it like trying to tow a loaded trailer.  If you try to do it with something that isn't designed to do it, like a small car, you might have some success for a very short amount of time, but eventually, something in the car is going to break, because it is simply not sturdy enough to try to move that kind of load.  However, if you hook up an industrial grade truck that is meant to do that job, and has the additional power, as well as reinforcements to its frame and driveline, you can accomplish the task much more easily and over an extended period of time.

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    • also Amuro and char could have died from heat stroke broght on by by the nu gundam falling threw the atmesphear. 

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    • Just wrote post detailing it... but I'm almost certain that

      1) Amuro is Alive

      and

      2) Amuro is Full Frontal

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    • No.

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    • Travis.j.Frank 

      When you said Amuro is Full Frontal is like Char got slapped by Bright and he said "Even my father never hit me!". Extremely awkward I'd say...

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    • I'm trying to figure out if it's a troll post, or legitimate before I respond as to why it's absolutely incorrect...

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    • Amuro Ray still alive confirmed in Moon Gundam Manga, fighting the possible remnants of the Titans...go check it out

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    • Roydex wrote:
      Amuro Ray still alive confirmed in Moon Gundam Manga, fighting the possible remnants of the Titans...go check it out

      Moon Gundam is set BEFORE Char's Counterattack, in UC 0092. Char's Counterattack takes place in 0093.

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    • IF Amuro is alive but he's not (I wished him and Char was alive) but if he was and thats a big IF he could have gone to live with Sayla Mass they did have something together. And I wished we would have seen them get married but that can't happen cause he is gone

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    • Hyakujuu wrote:
      Kuruni wrote:
      No, plain and simple. Unicorn pretty much confirm that he's dead.

      And you use auto-generate filename for images, that's against our rule.

      hmm Unicorn is Non-Canon,Tomino-san never Said Amuro's Dead, Unicorn Gundam Story Write by another Author Not Tomino-san,

      UC Canon Timeline

      Gundam ==> Zeta Gundam ==> ZZ Gundam ==> Char's Counter Attack ==> F91 ==> Victory Gundam. (end of UC for Now)

      Unicorn Gundam's Author Timeline

      Gundam ==> Zeta Gundam ==> ZZ Gundam ==> Beltorchika's Children ( a Novel Where Char and Amuro KIA ) ==> Unicorn Gundam ( End of Zeon and EF War ).

      Unicorn Gundam More Like a Alternate Timeline to me.

      TBH, only the Gundam Anime is canon along with some Manga's and Novels and If your wondering what about MSG : Hathaway... then It will have major changes as it was the continuetion of CCA (Beltorchika's Children).

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    • IF IN UNICORN MADE A CLONE OF CHAR, THEY CAN REVIVE TO AMURO

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    • DANJOEL75 wrote:
      IF IN UNICORN MADE A CLONE OF CHAR, THEY CAN REVIVE TO AMURO

      SUNRISE MADE A CLONE OF CHAR IN GUNDAM UNICORN AND MADE A CIBORG WITH DARYL LORENZ IN GUNDAM THUNDERBOLT, WHY DON'T THEY MAKE THE RESURRECTION OF AMURO RAY ?, I THINK WE SEE AMURO IN A NEXT FUTURE.!!!

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    • DANJOEL75 wrote:
      DANJOEL75 wrote:
      IF IN UNICORN MADE A CLONE OF CHAR, THEY CAN REVIVE TO AMURO
      SUNRISE MADE A CLONE OF CHAR IN GUNDAM UNICORN AND MADE A CIBORG WITH DARYL LORENZ IN GUNDAM THUNDERBOLT, WHY DON'T THEY MAKE THE RESURRECTION OF AMURO RAY ?, I THINK WE SEE AMURO IN A NEXT FUTURE.!!!

      Well If I say so myself... It's Gundam were talking about not Code Geass, also clones make sense and can easily be done whereas Resurrection can't happen

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    • Guyver92 wrote:
      Amuro died when he was shaken out of his cockpit chair of the Nu gundam and smashed his head onto the panoramic cockpit. or he died when the psycho effect caused the screen in his cockpit to go boom as you see a massive aura of energy came streaming out of it. a third option is both Amuro and Char die from heat stroke from there body temperatures from reentery. the forth option is like what almost happens to B. Links Amuro died after turning to crystal.

      however i feel heat stroke is the best bet for how the two died.

      I'm literaly sure that what ever happened to full frontal, happened to Amuro and Char but in both cases Char's body was presevered but Amuro's body wasn't found as the EFF had no interest in it or they wanted him to rest in peace and letting the wreckage of Nu Gundam wander in the emptyness of space.

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    • IT WAS ONE OF THE BEST SOLDIERS.AND WE ALL MISS HIM. SLOWLY THE WAR IS TOO SAD. BUT THIS IS A SCIENCE FICTION HISTORY, AMURO MAY ALSO BE RETURNED TO FORM A FAMILY WITH A CHAN AGI CLONE. THEY DESERVE A HAPPY FINAL AFTER SO MUCH SUFFERING.

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    • Stop typing in all cap. You've been warned.

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    • DANJOEL75 wrote:
      IT WAS ONE OF THE BEST SOLDIERS.AND WE ALL MISS HIM. SLOWLY THE WAR IS TOO SAD. BUT THIS IS A SCIENCE FICTION HISTORY, AMURO MAY ALSO BE RETURNED TO FORM A FAMILY WITH A CHAN AGI CLONE. THEY DESERVE A HAPPY FINAL AFTER SO MUCH SUFFERING.

      With Tomino's hand behind Gundam... Ain't gonna happen

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    • AMURO IS A FICTITIOUS CHARACTER AND CAN BE RESURRECTED, THAT IS USED. IF IT IS A PRODUCT THAT IS SOLD AND THAT THE TASTE. IS BACK TO FASHION. YOU CANNOT THREAT ME FOR AN OPINION. THEY SURVIVED JASON TODD, THEY SURVIVED BUCKY BARNES, WHY CANNOT THEY REVIVE AMURO? OR AT LEAST THEY COULD MAKE AMURO HAD A SON, OR A DAUGHTER OR INCLUSIVE A TWIN BROTHER.

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    • That's it. I hope you fix the cap lock by the next week.

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    • Offspring of Amuro? lolnope. Not unless they're using Beltorchika's Children as the backdrop for the new Hathaway's Flash movie trilogy adaptation.

      Since both Unicorn & Narrative are in-fact part of canon, there's no doubt that Hathaway's Flash will be revised to follow those in addition to the original Char's Counterattack movie.

      Amuro liked Chan instead of Beltorchika, but never had children. Both Chan & Quess are dead (Quess killed by Chan, Chan killed by Hathaway). Amuro & Char are both definitely dead, as confirmed by Unicorn.

      Yep. The Hathaway's Flash movie adaptations will indubitably be altered, for the better.

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    • In MSG Hathaway first teaser trailer it says that Amuro and Char are "Disappeared" not dead, so I guess they are still alive somewhere.

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    • Ehh... What? Unicorn and Narrative were both clearly leading up to Hathaway's Flash. Why do you think they both featured Gustav Karl?

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    • Uh, Lord cidaz, did you not watch Unicorn? They're dead, plain and simple. Typically when people disappear, they don't come back. As much as you'd like them to be alive and well, they're not. There's no way they survived any of that anyways. 

      What does featuring the Gustav Karl in Unicorn and Narrative have to do with this movie? I think it's a bit of a stretch to say that, honestly. 

      Ifnsman, if the manga adaptation is anything to go by for Hathaway's Flash, then Sunrise is going to throw a curveball at the continuity that is Gundam. The manga depicts the scene from Beltorchika's Children as Hathaway is having a nightmare about it. 

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    • Deackychu wrote:
      Uh, Lord cidaz, did you not watch Unicorn? They're dead, plain and simple. Typically when people disappear, they don't come back. As much as you'd like them to be alive and well, they're not. There's no way they survived any of that anyways. 

      What does featuring the Gustav Karl in Unicorn and Narrative have to do with this movie? I think it's a bit of a stretch to say that, honestly. 

      Ifnsman, if the manga adaptation is anything to go by for Hathaway's Flash, then Sunrise is going to throw a curveball at the continuity that is Gundam. The manga depicts the scene from Beltorchika's Children as Hathaway is having a nightmare about it. 

      There's a HF manga now?

      You're not actually talking about the original novels, are you?

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