LinYen, I don't know the aim of posting your theories on Newtypes on the talk page, but its way too long for one and features alot of things that don't really make sense. like how do eyes factor into spatial awareness. Just saying that this wiki isn't the place for it
Gaeaman788 wrote: Doesn't really apply. For example, Chan's not a Newtype, she's merely being assisted by the Psycoframe T bit she has in her pocket. So why did you list her as one
Yes, the T shaped bit, it amplified her consciousness and in so doing granted energy to be folcrumed by her intentions which then went to use (because her psyche was strong enough, like a Newtype should be). Just as it did with Amuro's even more evolved psyche in order to repell the large fragment of axis.
The Psycoframe resonates with consciousness but only bends to the will of a Newtype, as seen in Gundam Unicorn episode 5.
Observe the sceen when banager mastered the unicorn and it's light changed from red to a predominantly green spectrum, reflecting his newly heightened state of consciousness(@43:30, in that momen the paseed from being a mere cyber-enhanced to an authentic Newtype) which in turn spreads throuout the area of his focused mind and strenghtened the teathered ascent into orbit.-That was more than a step up from being used by the machinery as he was in episode two's opening, he like any other cyber-newtype was consumed by the battle impulse of his machine(although in late encounters he later fought it off).-Also the colouration of Banager's eyes are the same as Supersoldier http://gundam.wikia.com/wiki/Soma_Peires (Equivalent to Cyber-Newtype in nature of production and abilities), during Banager's flashbacks, you see bits of his cyber-enhancement processes.
O.o ? Have you not ever heard anyone mention that eyes are windows to one's soul? It's a fairly common belief, havent you ever seen the eyes of people on drugs? People intently reading a novel? working out? flirting? the eyes give great amounts of detail regarding peopl's intentions, habits and general dyspositions. Why would this not be concidered in the production of Gundam? Especially seeing as how well they used them in typecasting characters (beady eyes in all cartoons hint at a cowardly character, like Kai Shiden and many ordinary military or civilian characters in the original series).
00 Gundam: http://gundam.wikia.com/wiki/Setsuna_F._Seiei, his eyes changed in a reflection of his increased quantum brainwave activity, they become progressivly lighter over the series and ultimatly a golden glow as his quantum brainwaive utilization is mastered..
http://gundam.wikia.com/wiki/Allelujah_Haptism Has 1 Gold eye and one grey eye, reflecting his imbalanced psyche. The state of imbalance, a split in his character, caused great reduction in his otherwise high quantum brainwave activity and placed his value in question thus his being dubbed a failed super soldier.
http://gundam.wikia.com/wiki/Marie_Parfacy on the other hand has two gold eyes, indicating balance of her psyche. Deployed as the sucsessful supersoldier, in part to stimulate funds for further child abuse(super soldier production) and because she performs as expected. Eventually, character development permitted Alllelujah to synchronize the strengths of his devided psyhe in a way that allowed him to exceed the parameters of the ideal super soldier: Soma Peries/Marie Parfacy.
http://gundam.wikia.com/wiki/Challia_Bull is seen utilizing quantum brainwaves during episode 39 when he states: "This is incredible, the enemy can sense the direct line between my position and the Earth", in the moment just before: Amuro's eyelids close then reopen to reveal many shimmering specks of his vibrantly coloured eyes as he detects the enemy positioning relative to the earth and his own then heads out to face off.
Yes, it is mere coincidence, the coincidence was merely intended as artistic rendition of many interrelated points that compose the series. Many things coincide, intellegently governed or not... why do people use the word as if it is a synonym for "accident"?
Because it's anime and that's just a style choice. And your theory doesn't really work, don't take things so seriously. Your stringing together different universes as well. And My point stands that Chan is not a Newtype, and your theory is bogus
Itentionally strung together the work of different people to show the concictency is not just in the original Gundam but part of the culture of which Gundam is made.
If you honestly do not understand it with all this effort then it's only up to you as you grow up, your opinions may change and comprehension of my intentions may eventuall occur. It is almost as if you want me to go on, till you are convinced of my accuracy or inaccuracy, perhapse you are just bored and need the kicks of interarting with me, either way:thank you for your passionate attention to my opinions.
You are aware the variety of methods employed are so because they were aiming to refine the methods until initial symptoms are removed or at least receded to the point of beign relativly removed? Stage one: conditioning vi aid of drugs and hypnosis(Four Murasame), stage two is a cloning of a real/ natural Newtype(Puru 2), stage three is a variation of stage two but with genetic modifications to amplify Newtype potential(Puru 12) - "Extends"/"druggies and "carbon humans" are graduated in a similar manner the processes become refined in producing over time in Gundam seed(yes intentional cross referencing again, to show the universal nature of the theme).
Where are you getting this information on stages of Cyber Newtypes? As far as I know, this is purely speculation, and comparison with Cosmic Era's Extendeds, is pointless. Coordinators are not equivalent to Newtypes, because Newtypes exist in CE, seperate to Coordinators, and Extendeds are artificial coordinators created through cybernetics, conditioning and drugs. Newtypes are an offshoot that factions in CE don't even seem to be aware of, and no attempt to create artificial versions exists in that timeline. In terms of UC cyber newtypes, a more likely reason for why Rosamia and Four were so unstable, but the Neo Zeon Newtypes were a bit more controlled, is more likely because Zeon was several years, if not a decade ahead of the EFF in Newtype research, seeing as Zeon was founded on the basis that newtypes would exist, and the EFF didn't seem to adopt the theory of newtypes until during or after the OYY, and even then, distrusted them and saw them as little more than weapons.
!! Hmnn I failed to be clear, not even one of my points were intended to imply that a coordinator is equivalent to a Newtype(even though they both have incredible spatial awareness).
I was however pointing out; 1.) extends, cyber-Newtype and supersoldiers all play the same type of roles in their perspective universes, 2.) their characteristics are approximately the same in nature as they hold equivalent positons in their perspective plots.
What I meant to express by saying" they were aiming to refine the methods until initial symptoms are removed or at least receded to the point of beign relativly removed" is reflected in your own text: "...is more likely because Zeon was several years, if not a decade ahead of the EFF in Newtype research"- that is part of what I am speaking of as a higher stage.
"Glemy Toto" used the Newtype reserch you mentioned, to clone "Elpeo Ple", in so doing, produced the Cyber-Newtype "Ple two"(unlike the first form artificial newtype she does not require regular use of drugs to maintain her Newtype-like status, clearly a stage above), during the ZZ series.- Can you see now, how a first generation drug-dependant artificial Newtype like Four Murasamewho needs constant psychological retuning is comparable to Gundam Seed's drug dependant Stella Loussier extend like who also needs regular psychological retuning ?
In Gundam Unicorn it is revealed that Marida Cruz is the 12th in the line of clones derived from Elpeo Ple's d.n.a, I might have gone too far in assuming that the 12th clone would have been subsequentially superior due to reser done on each clone between Ple Two and Ple 12 (it seemed logical to me). During Marida's first conversation with Banager she stated that something was fundamentally different between her and Banger(who is also a cyber-newtype), you can take that as Banagher Links being the true 3rd stage of Cyber-enhancement (I believe he actually became an authentic Newtype, much like Quess Paraya and Lalah Sune who both initiated their evolution with spiritual practices of India then furthered the progression with some cyber-enhancement).
Yes that's obvious. However, we don't know if Banagher is a cyber Newtype based on a single scene. Allah as far as we know was a very powerful Newtype, and Zeons cyber enhancement program started late in. The One year war, Quess was already a fairly powerful Newtype who got cyber enhanced.
O.o Huh!!? Allah, WHAT!! Allah is a Newtype? Where ar YOU getting your information?...so Islam requires one to pray to a Newtype? ...Why was I born into a Christian culture?...I wonder if I can get a mobile suit if I convert?
!! So If it is as you say "Allah as far as we know was a very powerful Newtype" does "was" mean he passed away? or lost his Newtype status like Jamil Neate did? ...maybe I won't convert just yet >.< So what Mobile suite Did Allah use the most?
By mentioning Neo Zeon, I wanted to include Mashymre Cello, Gyunei Guss and Chara Soon, who became cyber newtypes, but did not require reconditioning, and were relatively stable (except Chara Soon who was already a bit crazy before undergoing the process) and in the case of Chara and Mashymre seemed to be extremely powerful as seen in their deaths. I disagree about your "stages" of cyber newtypes. I don't see why Ple Two being a clone makes her any more advanced of a cyber newtype than anyone else. She is more advanced because she was already a Newtype who was then enhanced, as was Quess, instead of a trying to create a newtype from a regular human, like Four or Rosamia. The reason I see that Glemy would make multiple clones of Elpeo Ple was because there would theoretically be greater potential for results using the cyber newtype experiments on somebody who is already a newtype, rather than somebody who is not. There does not appear to be any difference between Ple Two and any of the clones, nor do we have any evidence that they are more advanced than she was.
Alright fair enough and thank you for your intelligently composed reply, however you made a mistake: Ple Two is the first clone not the original Newtype, the original Newtype is Elpeo Ple who fougt with Ple Two to defend Judau Ashta.
The thing Marida mentioned to as she said was something along the lines of Banagher Links being fundamentally different from her, his having something she does not which allows him to become more than just a tool :Cyber-Newtye tend to get pulled into a battle frenzy, getting lost in the will of the machine rather than consciously direct the machine as a Newtype would( Marida was actually able to pull herself from that state on several ocasions when beconed to by Suberoa Zinnerman) this to me makes her seem exceptional among her artificially made newtype.
Either of you know the status of Beltorchika Irma ? She's creepy, emo more so than Kamille Bidan was in the start of his saga and only because of this I think her mind has been warped, maybe due to cyber-enhancement?...or is she just a slu, skank, beotch etc? .
I clearly stated that Ple Two is a clone. I am aware Elpeo Ple is the original, and template for all the clones. Marida saying Banagher being different could be interpreted as many things. She says he is more than just a tool, because being used as a tool is all she has known for the majority life, where as Banagher has grown up in a relatively normal life, at least after the newtype testing. He has hobbies, friends and family. Marida on the other hand was created to be used as a weapon in battle, who after losing that purpose, was sold into prostitution, until finally being saved by Suberoa Zinnerman, which is the only human care she has ever experienced. Even then, everything she does is because she is commanded to. The majority Banagher does in Unicorn is done purely out of emotion, and free will.
So you did!! I misinterpreted you, sorry >.< Yeah that contrast of lifestyle between Banger and Marida does seem to logically contribute nd greatly so to her state of being, Marida's life of abuse is stumach-turning and tear jerking T.T
From what I've seen of Newtype and what Zeon Zum Deikun proposed within the "natural" path of becoming a Newtype, spending time in space is a key fulcrum or catlyst to the shift in consciousness that renders one a Newtype. However within that path, three distinct ways lead to an awakening of Newtype awareness.
These distintions ought be made clear, I will attempt to define them in order of appearance within the U.C universe. Newtype:
1.) Through being constantly pressued to perform near the breaking points of their minds, these characters gain an ability to be unusually calm within these moments of great exertion. This gradually allows them to more acuratly asess the finer details of the situations they are in, allowing their minds to focus in ways that were previously outside of their abilities, this new pereception of their environment ads to selfawareness and thus consciousness is expanded as described in the original theory.- Amuro RayChar Aznable and Jerid Messa are paradigms of this path.
2.) Through spiritual means ie. special breathing techniques and concentration (as shown by Lalah Sune during the use of her Newtype abilities), one's mind is calmed and structured in order to focus perception and cognition beyond ordinay limitations, this is a comon conception among both mystics and martial artists who routinly meditate.This theory is verified if you read the history info of Quess Paraya, it states: "Christina, a young woman who teaches a philosophy that one can become a Newtype through spiritual rather than evolutionary means." -Needless to say: Lalah Sune and Quess Paraya are both of this sort (Yes, Quess is later cyber-enhanced but Lahlah was not, only tested in various ways by the Flanagan Institute who were asessing her Newtype data).
In the film Char's counterattack (@25:31 into the film)Quess quotes Christine in saying:"A Newtype psychically comprehends the essence of both people and things". Both the mind and spirit are are within the dictionary definition of "psyche" , meaning "psychically comprehends" is clearly pointing to the mind aspect rather than spiritual, in this way one can understand how the two different paths can lead to Newtype status:" heightened mental awareness". however they are not quite the same end results as a "spiritually evolved" Newtype(much like Zeon Zum Deikun's theory) have an inate aversion to conflict as the tend to have a greater sensitivity and range of perception than one whom has been simply forced to blossom via pressure of the battlefield(Amuro actually alludes to this point of distinction as he fought Char, not long after Lalah has died).
During the Zeta Gundam episode that she plants a bomb in that lunar city, Kamille claimed that she can not be a cyber-newtype, although she is reffered to as a "battle doll" by Yazan Gablein a previous episode: in not one episode did she show to have the neaurological damage of that generation's cyber-newtypes. She demonstrated aptitudes matched , even seemed to surpassing that of Four an extensivly enhanced being, how so if not fundamentally a Newtype before her stationing at a reserch facility?
Miner English lesson:" I believe your looking a bit too deep into the Gundam mythos"- this grammar is disturbing me, here I'll fix it for you:" I believe you're looking a bit too deeply into the Gundam mythos".- Your correction is my pleasure.
I hope you can now see the distinction between "your" and "you're". English can be hard, especially for those whom hold poor attention-spans, please be more attentive, it can accellerate your maturity.-Hey!! what do you know, I just used a moral or principal advocated by Gundam ^_^
!!? How did you verify her being a natural Newtype? Unlike what I've thus far deduced regarding Newtype as opposed to specultated:The way her story plays out, renders it more difficult to deduce her core nature.
Within the definition of what they are is found the definition of how they came to be and the series serve as definition of what a Newtype is. With simple observation of the series, it becomes clear how their perceptions are different from the oldtype's perceptions and how it is they came to be?....However if you are too lazy to watch and understand the episodes then refer to: Newtype, specifically: Basic Newtype Theory
It states:"The basic Newtype concept was originally proposed by Zeon Zum Deikun. The theory proposes that as humanity expands into space, all latent abilities will blossom in order to adapt to the great void and mankind will then be able to understand each other without misconceptions. "- If that is not clear enough in terms of defining what it takes to become a Newtype then you might have cognitive malfunctions and should tend to them.
!!? Really, the info is there...simply reason it out for yourself...ok.. here:
1.)" in order to adapt to the great void "- the great void is the cause.
2.)"to understand each other without misconceptions"- The void will easily and quickly take the life of those with inaccurate and slow awareness,"in order to adapt to the great void": spatial coordination/reasoning and accurate comunication with minimal effort are extreemly stressed. "to understand each other without misconceptions", in this way, getting lost in the void become less likely.
3.)The mere act of survival in the "void", clearly enhances mathematical aptitudes as precise mathematical skill is a must in all aspects of spacenoid life. Those who fail to meet the requirements of survival:" latent abilities will blossom in order to adapt to the great void", often end up adrift, suffocating and freezing as their space suits run out of air and energy.
Space life, it is survival of the fittest mind therfore: it's only natural that New-types of mental strength will emerge "in order to adapt to the great void".
If I were a Newtype, I'd make far fewer mistakes in life.. at least I wont have to edit my poor spelling so much >.<