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About the articlesEdit

Dude, I'm trying to organize all the articles into the reference section, why do you keep putting back into the gallery section when it's not even a pic? Taikage - Good tidings to all in this freezing hell! 21:28, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, since you're so absolute about separation between gunpla and anime articles, how about a gunpla section then? Taikage - The "need some change"-admin T_T 01:42, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

Excuse me! when did we vote for a gunpla section, because alot of articles have it like that, but I don't remember voting for it. -Dav7d2 - The ChroniK Editor! 03:50, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

He hasn't been on in 4 days, so I think something might be wrong. Either way, hes not responding to the messages on his talk page, so I can't really ask him. I guess we should make a voting then .-. -Dav7d2 - The ChroniK Editor! 04:24, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

Proof Edit

You need to post proof.ExcelCore 01:57, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

and you, my friend, need to stop annoying me. Bravecommander: The resident translator, apparently... 12:35, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

Mars Century?Edit

Forgive my ignorance, I haven't been monitoring the Gundam Wing universe too much, but Mars Century? Shouldn't that merge with After Colony? Taikage - cracking down on fantasy gundam bloggers 14:56, January 3, 2011 (UTC)

Oh it's nothing like that, but it's like us working on the 00 pages and used to marking the yrs with AD, suddenly you went BC and "WTF is this!?" comes to mind. However I do find it slightly misleading because how they address it suggests it's an alternate timeline to the primary timeline of the AC universe, when in fact it's the same timeline, but with different time stamping. And some characters, talk about 180, Catherine Bloom went hard core? I just don't believe it. It just doesn't fit her psychological profile of a gentle soul. Now training a potential Gundam pilot!? That must be some messed up history to make her have such a transformation. Any who, carry on. Taikage - cracking down on fantasy gundam bloggers 15:37, January 3, 2011 (UTC)

Not sure where to reply to this because it's a conversation going on on two different talk pages, but Mars Century is the same timeline as After Colony- they merely started calling it something different. It's not an alternate universe. Anyway, while we could complain about it all we like (I definitely agree with you on Cathy Bloom..), fact is it's a legitimate sequel to Gundam Wing penned by the original scenario/scriptwriter, so it's our job to have the info on it, right? ;) But yeah again, if there's any questions as far as how stuff needs to be ordered due to the novel, I'm on top of all the news/translations/info about it so I can answer any questions needed while we reorder stuff for it. Kit-chan 16:41, January 3, 2011 (UTC)

Um....... Edit

I've had a question on my mind for a while now, I noticed that your last avatar was that of a girl and your new avatar also happens to be a girl. So are you a guy or a girl? >_> -Dav7d2 - The ChroniK Editor! 16:38, February 8, 2011 (UTC)

I like girls, that's why :) --Bronx01 18:37, February 8, 2011 (UTC)

The Voting for another AdminEdit

Forum:Wiki needs an admin -Dav7d2 - The ChroniK Editor! 05:39, March 9, 2011 (UTC)

A bit of confusionEdit

Bronx, when you edited Tieria's profile, one of the lines in the text says this:

"With Lockon's explanation, Tieria got the hint that Lockon knew what he is"

That line was from season 1. Considering that no one, not even Tieria himself knew that he was a Innovade until season 2, and I don't know how many people actually knew that Tieria could mentally connect with Veda, what exactly did they think he was? A human that was enhanced with cybernetics? Gaeaman 788 - is a administrator 04:48, March 12, 2011 (UTC)

A potential connection between Ribbons and the Plutone IncidentEdit

I was just looking at 00P on here, specifically chapter 10, and I was reading that Chall thought that there was interference from a superior system within Veda. I was thinking that Ribbons might have somehow interfered with Plutone's drive and set it so that it would kill the Meisters. Is this a solid theory, or do you have other evidence to back it up or refute it?Gaeaman 788 - The sign of Zeta leads to a dead end 03:27, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

No, that was Beside Pain, we had Bravecommander translate something that said he plotted the event. -Dav7d2 - Insert AWESOME quote here :P 07:13, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

So Beside Pain's been trying to take down the 2nd gen Meisters for like 5 years now? CURSE YOU BESIDE PAIN !!!!!!!!!!! Wow, and that would actually explain how he got the original GN Drives...I think since he somehow has higher access in Veda.Gaeaman 788 - The sign of Zeta leads to a dead end 11:26, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

Please comment on a great idea I have for a gundam video game. Edit

http://gundam.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Cloverfield_monster/Gundam_Video_game_idea


Cloverfield monster 20:46, May 28, 2011 (UTC)Cloverfield monster

CBS-742? Edit

I didn't notice the Great Mechanics article where it named the Ptolemy II Kai as the CBS-742, and I don't think that it's on the Ptolemy II Kai's page as proof? Could you provide the image source? ThanksGaeaman 788 - The sign of Zeta leads to a dead end 21:49, July 16, 2011 (UTC)

Rolan? Rolan? Edit

Just got a serious chain of messages informing me in brief that you have been editing and changed instances of Laura Rollo's name from Loran Cehack to Rolan Cehack. In series it was rather ambiguous. I think it is a perfect example of both characters being lr's or rl's. Very much a Japanese pronunciation. The two most clear potential origins are the names Lauren and Roland, but I digress...

Just wanting to ask, did you perhaps come into posession of new material, perhaps regarding the fabled English release that suggests that "Rolan" is the official romanization? If so great, if not then I think Loran is more proper as it was the romanization that was used in the Dynasty Warriors Gundam games which, until the English version of Turn A is released, is the only official English romanization of his name, hence I believe it to be the most correct. I realize that the official website has it is Rolan Cehack, however the romanizations on the Japanese pages are often questionable at best and I believe should generally be trumped by official English material.

I know I argued the Elpeo Puru one a bit, but I think this is different as unlike "Ple" we don't yet (to my knowledge) have something like Gundam Unicorn to state the clearest official English romanization.

Cerano Agamemnon 02:03, July 17, 2011 (UTC)

Those 00 mangas Edit

Talk to Alexsena about those and tell him that they're all part of one big thing. Here's my question though, are each of those pages individual volume titles or something different. Thanks and I'll get to deleting those right away. If you could also give me the order of the chapters that would be helpful too.Gaeaman 788 - The sign of Zeta leads to a dead end 03:17, August 13, 2011 (UTC)

Re: heads up about the 00 mangas Edit

Really? ok then I'll get on to deleting those, just inform Alexsena about the changes. Though I would like to know if they are all chapters to In Those Days or something else...Thanks!Gaeaman 788 - The sign of Zeta leads to a dead end 03:19, August 13, 2011 (UTC)


Hum understand you joined all in one article alone, it looks great without problems, thanks for the help.

thank you for vouching haha ^^

hi bronx, nice to meet you, i see you deleted my edit on 00 qant's quantum sword's info, why is that? 297km sounds dubious to you? if so, you can go to japanese wikia for verification. thanks! : )

are you saying i'm 99% lying? i'm offended. how to i present my evidence?

Edits in Gundam Seed Edit

You seemed to have a problem with Gundam Seed, but I hope you don't go over rain over the article with unknown template markers. If you have some problem with the article, please talk it over here first, so we know what the root of the problem is. --Bronx01 (talk|contribs) 14:28, September 6, 2011 (UTC)

My personal feelings about the show are irrelevant. The statements I tagged were unsupported statements of fact that required sources. There wasn't even a bibliography at the end (one of the things I added and you undid). You want to change the tags so that they better fit the templates on this wiki? That's fine, but it doesn't change the fact that these claims are uncited and could very easily be made up on the spot. To quote Christopher Hitchens, "What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence." Considering that this is supposed to inform people, I'd think providing adequate sources would be appropriate. Even if it were linking to sources that wouldn't quite meet vanilla wiki's standards, at least it would be something. Tehgrevlin 14:33, September 6, 2011 (UTC)
So, you wanted sources for every sentence in the article? SEED's contribution to Bandai and Sunrise is really big and their popularity is still big out there, it's just really a "fact". What makes you think otherwise? The forum links that you went to? --Bronx01 (talk|contribs) 14:39, September 6, 2011 (UTC)


[1] What you or I think has nothing to do with the facts. Logically, those statements are positive claims which require evidence no matter how commonly they may be believed. It's a common belief that you get muscle cramps if you swim within 30 minutes of eating food [2], that taking kids from a negative home environment and having someone intervene to give positive support would be beneficial [3] and that the passage of time doesn't change whatever an object's velocity [4], yet these common beliefs are wrong. Any positive claim requires positive proof. Otherwise, the only logically consistent conclusion would be the null hypothesis [5]. The sources I listed directly related to complaints raised by traditional gundam fans as they were, literally, complaints raised by traditional gundam fans. To make factual claims, such as popularity, you need sources like the actual amount of merchandise sold compared to other Gundam merchandise, ratings lists, number of hits on sites like Crunchyroll or other streaming sites, popularity of youtube clips compared to other Gundam shows, and so forth. If you can't provide a source for your claim, then you really need to refrain from making the claim in the first place. Tehgrevlin 14:58, September 6, 2011 (UTC)
Traditional Gundam Fans in those forums you posted? How can you prove that they are?
What you and I think has a connection to what facts we want to see. That is just how people think. The concept of null hypothesis, is to atleast decrease that bias into an amount. Have you tried that with what you want you believe SEED is? The facts that lead people to write about SEED (that you are trying to disprove) are everywhere too, you just have to look (and I know you are also capable of atleast that). Not just from forums, but from credible sites. --Bronx01 (talk|contribs) 15:15, September 6, 2011 (UTC)


-U mad, bro?
-An interest in the shows commonly referred to as 'traditional' (such as MSG and Zeta) professed by the persons raising objections goes a long way. As I said before, at least it's something substantive. That's why I didn't leave a citation needed tag on that statement. To cite an opinion, all I need to cite is just that; an opinion. If I make a statement of fact concerning an opinion (such as "traditional gundam fans tended to dislike Seed because ________"), then I need a source for that opinion (such as a forum posting of someone saying "I, as a traditional Gundam fan, dislike seed because _________" or something to that effect).
-Irrelevant. Facts do not change because of perception, only the context. That's why they're called facts.
-I am not trying to disprove anything. If I were, I would be making direct counter-statements along the lines of "Gundam SEED was not popular" and such. I am not, and I would appreciate it if you would refrain from making a straw-man [6] of my arguments in the future. I'm simply saying that you need to prove your statements with citations. Facts need to be supported with evidence, and statements of opinion must be denoted as such and then cited (the source of the opinion). If a fact is so well known and commonly supported, then that leaves even less of an excuse for leaving out a citation as one could easily be found. Either way, you need to cite your source.
-I would appreciate it if you would refrain from attacking my opinion of the show and focus on the issue at hand. It's at best distracting, at worst childish rhetoric.Tehgrevlin 15:25, September 6, 2011 (UTC)
I am not talking about facts as whole, I am talking about perspective points here. If you are really pursuing facts, you're not just going to let someone pursue it for you (adding "citation needed" without second thoughts), you are going to look for it, from both sides. And acknowledging what I had just said about Seed's facts everywhere, you should have looked at them and see what it can do for this article. And this is what I see in you. Don't try to be the one being objective here, I am already seeing your statements that you're not. Clearly, don't even use that concept of null hypothesis in front of me if your just going to twist it for your own bias. --Bronx01 (talk|contribs) 15:36, September 6, 2011 (UTC)
-Good. You can talk about perspective points on your own page (In fact, just for fun, why don't we hold this on your page? Then you can talk about perspective points.). I'm only talking about logic, facts, and how to properly cite data. That is the only thing I have discussed, and the only relevant topic. If you wish to discuss perspective points, do so elsewhere. They're irrelevant to this exchange.
-Incorrect. If someone writes an article with the intent to inform, then they are not allowed to require that the reader go do the background research on their own. The article made the positive claim, the article needs to provide the sources. I put the citation tags there so that either you or someone else could go get the sources and add them in properly. If the sources are unavailable or don't exist, then the statements should be removed until they are.
-What does that have to do with the fact that the statements on the page are unsourced? As I said before, if they're so well sourced (and you obviously have access to them, having repeated the statements several times declaring that they were easy to find), why weren't they there to begin with?
-How you view me is irrelevant. Again, I would appreciate it if you actually addressed what I was saying instead of trying to attack my character. [7]
-If you're going to attack me, at least provide evidence for your claims. How would I twist the null hypothesis? How have I done this before? If I am biased, how has it affected my reasoning and resulted in errors? Make sure you use quotations and proper reasoning. Remember, an accusation of bias has no relevance to the correctness or incorrectness of an argument, which stands and falls on its own merits regardless of the source.
Tehgrevlin 15:46, September 6, 2011 (UTC)


I am trying to read you since your so dedicated on this. And I have seen enough to form an opinion of you. And cut it off with trying to be objective. How to twist your own null hypothesis? People will laugh at if you say it with a straight face (I guess I need to cite that too? lol). Also, being objective doesn't mean deflecting things and/or throwing it back.
I am concerned that your a potential vandal, so I am keeping an eye on you (I saw your first edits, that put your claim about null hypothesis and such (being objective) to shame). I will search for sources (since you are set on not doing so). --Bronx01 (talk|contribs) 16:10, September 6, 2011 (UTC)
-Read all you like, but please refrain from making factual statements without citations and evidence.
-Uh-huh. I wait with bated breath for your assessment, I assure you.
-Did you even read the source I provided about the null hypothesis? It's not 'my' or 'your' null hypothesis. It's the null hypothesis that goes to any positive claim. For example, if the positive claim were "viagra can treat erectile dysfunction", the null hypothesis would be "viagra cannot treat erectile dysfunction". If the claim were "there is an invisible pink unicorn on the roof of my house laying a rainbow turd", the null hypothesis would be "there is not an invisible pink unicorn on the roof of my house laying a rainbow turd". See what I mean? At best, you MIGHT be able to claim that I'm incorrectly identifying which is the positive and negative arguments, but you still have yet to do this. You discuss this topic in much the same way a small child would wave around their father's gun.
-No, you don't need to cite it as it's already a logical fallacy (see the appeal to common belief/practice fallacy cited above). It'd be a bit like bringing evidence of Clinton's infidelity to O.J. Simpson's murder trial.
-Could you please specify the context and meaning of your last sentence? Try to use clear and simple language rather than rhetoric. It'll make your statement more credible.
-That was a prank for a bit of fun. I have made no attempt to revert the corrections or anything like that. Even so, that is irrelevant to the topic at hand. It wouldn't matter if I'd vandalized a thousand pages before, none of that would render my criticisms invalid.
-Non sequitur. Your conclusion doesn't follow from the premise.
-Since you were the one making the statements, you should have had them in the first place. Are you telling me you made a direct assertion without having evidence prepared beforehand?
-Thank you. That's all I'm asking for.
Tehgrevlin 16:20, September 6, 2011 (UTC)
Looking at your little "prank", I doubt anyone will be taking you seriously. Besides, plastering the "citation needed" tag after EVERY SENTENCE is a bit much isn't it? Considering that the SEED page is the only one you've done this to, I'm led to believe that this does have something to due with personal opinion. Or you're just a troll. Same thing really. - The Phantom Impact - The ultimate Super Robot from beneath the heavens 16:31, September 6, 2011 (UTC)
-Ad hominem logical fallacy. As I said, irrelevant.
-I simply put citation needed after unsourced factual claims, and provided a source for one that I had on hand at the time.
-Look at my registration date. Do I look like I've had alot of time to build up a record of edits for you to make that claim about?
-Again, my personal opinion about the show is irrelevant. There are factual claims that have no sources in them. Hell, Gundam 00 has sources, and it's been out for four years compared to the 10 years Gundam Seed has had.
-Not everyone who criticizes Seed is a troll. Grow a thicker skin. I already thanked Bronx01 for going out and looking for proper sources. What have you contributed aside from a slew of fallacious arguments?
Tehgrevlin 16:37, September 6, 2011 (UTC)

Standards, and Fell Creatures that Harass the Fairer Sex Edit

I was reading through some recent posts on your talk page and was reminded of a similar exchange that I believe was between Kit-chan and another user, which. While I am sure you have the situation well in hand, I would point it out as an example of similar behavior by what may be the same person under another user name. My condolences for your troubles.

I also feel the need to ask, as you are certainly one of the most active editors, do we have a page that goes into length to state policy for our Wiki. I think it might be helpful, standardization is good and I think how categories are arranged, how things are cited and which infoboxes and how to use them are relevant and it would be good to all be on the level and have a document to refer to. I know that the Gundam 00 pages have more of this, but those of us who do not care for or about Gundam 00 as much and like what is very standard eslewhere might have somewhat different feelings. Might there also be a place to discuss this? I know we have some kind of attached forum somewhere, however as such places are generally the purview of trolls and other fell beasts I tend to avoid them.

Cerano Agamemnon 01:13, September 13, 2011 (UTC)

Setsuna's page Edit

Just a question, but are you planning on adding more information to Setsuna's page and cleaning that up as well, similar to what you've done with the other Meisters? I'm just curious because I think the page could use more info from the novels and stuff like that. Gaeaman 788 -Will be mostly offline and touring London from Sep. 17-20. All questions and/or concerns should go to my talk page 09:54, September 19, 2011 (UTC)

A litany of 00 manga question, mostly on Rasiel/Sefer/Hixar Edit

Hola, just some quick questions on the 00 mangas.

1. Is the second Gundam Rasiel seen in 00I just the old Rasiel used by Grave or is it a repainted Black Rasiel.

2. I saw a photo online of the Sefer Rasiel in form 2. The Sefer part had a large particle tank attached to it that resembled those that the GN-XIVs used in the movie. Was Hixar piloting that one?

3. Is there any information from 00I 2314 that's missing, because I feel as though there are huge chunks of info that are left out.

If you have the answers to these much thanks!Gaeaman 788 is an able administrator 13:03, September 27, 2011 (UTC)

Why Didnt ELS GNX IV, ELS Baikal Class, ELS 00 Raiser, ELS Arios Ascalon performed quantum teleportation during the ELS conflict? Edit

hi, i was wondering, in the quantum teleport system article, ELS is said to have the ability to quantum teleport, with a citation leading to gundam 00 N chapter 16. but why didnt the els probes and assimilated machines or warships used the quantum teleportation ability during the els fight? thank you. The quantum pacifier 16:55, October 7, 2011 (UTC)



About 00PEdit

I've been working with a small group of people in translating it into english, we're nearly half way through the project's "first editing" phase after the initial translation, and entering the grammar editing part of it. Would you like to help with this, to better aid in cleaning of the 00P section?

Aldaeus0 19:16, December 15, 2011 (UTC)

Re,Re 00PEdit

Well true... but as we finish it would you like to be the (Beta) read to help us catch mistakes we might have missed during the grammar part to help flush out some of the chapters that are a little on the small side detail wise?

Aldaeus0 23:42, December 15, 2011 (UTC)

AGE Not The GundamEdit

Why do you keep changing the ages of the Ple sisters back, the N&T said they both are might be created by Glemy in his lab so wouldn't they be the same age.Chriseasley 21:45, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

  • Two small notes
    1. I'm not tiering say your're wrong I just looking at the info on the page.
    2. I'm thinking of making a Zeon Remnants page and as I watched episode 4 it was like he was thier leader of all Zeon on earth or just his group?
  • I'm not talking about the Neo Zeon Remnants but the ones on earth. They had to hide and fight the earth forces on their own and they didn't have backing and access to the most advanced mobile suits from Anaheim Electronics like their sister group, so I think they should get a page.
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