Why do they always have to do this: a show or movie is really great and wraps up nicely and then they try and capitalize on it by adding on and continuing! Why couldn't they just leave it alone? "Wing" was perfect the way it was. I was happy imagining how things would progress for the characters with the safety net of knowledge that it was just a fan's musing and not a fact! It's not only because I don't like the plot (indeed, I've read better ones in fanfics) it's just the idea that they feel the need to expand on the story when it was perfect just the way it was! The "Wing" plot is a lot like make-up on a woman: less is more! I was hoping and praying that this abomination, this, aberration was nothing but an adaptation of the main story or one of those "inspired by a true story" deals (not literally since "Wing" is fiction) or at least one of those situations where an anime is based on a manga/novel or, as sometimes happens, a manga/novel based on an anime so that it would be a retelling of the story from a different perspective instead of fact. Alas, I feel that my hopes have been dashed across the rocks, the cup taken from my lips, and everything else that insipidly sums up my shattered visions of the glory of "Wing". However, if anyone can offer me a faint Charmander flame of hope that this story is but an illusion, please come forth and say your piece to restore my peace of mind.Psybur 23:59, June 18, 2011 (UTC)
- This has to be one of the most overdramatic and point-lacking rants I've ever read. First off, it's Bandai. You should have seen this coming, really. Gundam exists to SELL TOYS. Get over it.
- To be quite honest, this story isn't that bad yet, when you consider the format in which it's being released. My feeling is that because it's a story that flits in and out of characters' memories and flashbacks, that it's the monthly release that makes it seem so frustrating. My bet is that once it's all said and done and you can read it cover to back as a cohesive single story, it'll make a hell of a lot more sense than it currently is.
- And beyond that, anyone who knew about the power struggle between Sumisawa (who let us keep in mind IS the original head writer for Wing, but quit halfway through due to differences with Ikeda) and the director Ikeda (who you could say held him back) should have seen this coming, too. They had clear differences in the way they viewed Wing and wanted it to run; Sumisawa was the vision and Ikeda was the one who kept things on track. Anyone shoulda known that giving Sumisawa his own story to write out- just like Episode Zero, which was ALSO an episodic story that jumps between timelines- was going to be difficult to read. But while his writing style may be frustrating to read (and translate), it isn't bad. It might not be your cup of tea, but it's still the same writing that gave us the series in the first place.
- That said, I'm really not trying to whiteknight the story, cuz BOY does it ever have its issues in its current state. There's a LOT of really cheap plot devices going on when you look at the 'new' generation of pilots, but there were only a few ways that could have gone anyway for a 'generation next' story since that's what it was conceived as. But you don't even provide any reasonable points of contention here other than 'it's new'. Kit-chan 01:23, June 19, 2011 (UTC)
- Ok, first of all, I am sorry you didnt' pick-up on my purposely written melodramatic over-tone: I'm a creative writting major so I like to try out different writing styles to express my intent and purpose. Also, I was being expressive of my opinion and disappointment with the contrived plotline of the novel and creative direction of the storyline. I thought I adequately expressed this in my "rant" but judging from your ill-conceived comment of it being "point-lacking" it's clear to me that you have a penchant for poorly preceive other's words, jumping to conclusions, and compensating for your lack of understanding by critisizing other's words rather than seeing the fault within yourself.
I am well aware that a company's existance in a capitalistic world is always the bottom line and Bandai is no different. I could care less about the format "Frozen Teardrop" is released in; it really is just the plotline that disgusts me. I am not a neophobic (a person afraid of new ideas or things) and I still stand by my decision that Gundam Wing was fine as it was and didn't need any strange, contrived plotline to breathe new life into it (especially this one). The phrase, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" comes to mind as I write this and I'm sure that, despite your retentiveness, you've felt that way about movie sequals that fail to live up to the original or movies that pale in comparison to the glory of the books they're based on.
If the plotline was ACTUALLY good and well written as it was in the original series, then by all means, kudos to the creator. However, since I fail to see it as such, I can only shake my head in disbeliefe at this travesty (in case you didn't pick-up on it, that last sentence was an exercise in the use of melodramatic phrases, you would do well to familiarize yourself with it). I'm glad you enjoy such plotlines because it means that the creator's vision has reached some people. As for you and I, I'm afraid we're going to have to agree to disagree because, much like Sumisawa and Ikeda, we have creative differences.
from crap left on my talkpage lol
Ok, first of all, I am sorry you didnt' pick-up on my purposely written melodramatic over-tone: I'm a creative writting major so I like to try out different writing styles to express my intent and purpose. Also, I was being expressive of my opinion and disappointment with the contrived plotline of the novel and creative direction of the storyline. I thought I adequately expressed this in my "rant" but judging from your ill-conceived comment of it being "point-lacking" it's clear to me that you have a penchant for poorly preceive other's words, jumping to conclusions, and compensating for your lack of understanding by critisizing other's words rather than seeing the fault within yourself.
I am well aware that a company's existance in a capitalistic world is always the bottom line and Bandai is no different. I could care less about the format "Frozen Teardrop" is released in; it really is just the plotline that disgusts me. I am not a neophobic (a person afraid of new ideas or things) and I still stand by my decision that Gundam Wing was fine as it was and didn't need any strange, contrived plotline to breathe new life into it (especially this one). The phrase, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" comes to mind as I write this and I'm sure that, despite your retentiveness, you've felt that way about movie sequals that fail to live up to the original or movies that pale in comparison to the glory of the books they're based on.
If the plotline was ACTUALLY good and well written as it was in the original series, then by all means, kudos to the creator. However, since I fail to see it as such, I can only shake my head in disbeliefe at this travesty (in case you didn't pick-up on it, that last sentence was an exercise in the use of melodramatic phrases, you would do well to familiarize yourself with it). I'm glad you enjoy such plotlines because it means that the creator's vision has reached some people. As for you and I, I'm afraid we're going to have to agree to disagree because, much like Sumisawa and Ikeda, we have creative differences. [YOUR SIGNATURE GOES HERE, PSYBER]
- First of all, new talk sections go at the bottom of a page. Second of all, sign your talk page edits with four tildes '~'; I even marked where you should do it for you! Third of all- if you're going to leave a reply to a forum topic, do it on the forum topic, not on my talkpage. Talk pages are for wiki work, not butthurt replies to your forum topic that you signed up to the wiki to post :)
- Now that we're over that.... So you're a creative writing major, huh? Then you ought to know there's a difference between writing melodramatically as irony, and writing melodramatically for srs and then trying to cover it up with a shitty excuse about writing styles. LOL. Nice try though. Though the attempt at condescending tone is cute too.
- And no, nowhere in your rant do you even MENTION any of the myriad issues with the series apart from 'not liking the plot' that you could have to back up your complaining. No one cares what you do or don't like. Again, as a creative writing major, you should know that when giving critique, what you like or don't like doesn't matter; you have to give concrete evidence and examples to back it up. Also, fault within myself? LOL? What does that even mean?
- O boy now we get to rant about capitalism. Look, the main point is as I said, FT has a lot of flaws as it is; but making an account on the Gundam wikia JUST to post a rant about FT and then not even giving any concrete evidence to back it up? You've got to be kidding me. Now then, I'm going move this over to the forum topic where it belongs, yes? Kit-chan 03:17, June 19, 2011 (UTC)
THe only thing I hate about FT is how much more confusing the timeline gets and the literal fathers mothers sisters brothers former roomate relationship between Heero and TreizeGaeaman 788 - The sign of Zeta leads to a dead end 06:00, June 19, 2011 (UTC)
Calm down guys. This is a site about simply reporting the information they give us; the only thing we should be arguing about is the presentation of the information. If you want to argue about the merits of an official release and its place in canon, go to an actual forum like AnimeSuki or One Manga. —AscendedAlteran 06:19, June 19, 2011 (UTC)
- The point of my reply exactly. Kit-chan 06:21, June 19, 2011 (UTC)
Don't worry about "canon" either. You won't miss anything from "official" timeline by ignore print material like this. BTW, I can't hate FT. Since without it, I doubt we will ever see full linearts for EW version Maganac. Kuruni 11:21, June 19, 2011 (UTC)
It's Gundam guys, everything Bandai does will split the fanbase, so they just decided to say "Fuck it, we're going to make money no matter what." and so they roll with it. -The Phantom Impact - The ultimate Super Robot from beneath the heavens 20:22, June 19, 2011 (UTC)
It's quite clear that you lack tact in your approach at trying to sound condescending to me; you're obviously bothered by other people's opinions (strangely enough, especially in how they format them) which is well reflected in your feeble attempt to try and incite me through such crass comments. As for how to navigate this page and properly post things, I've never seen anyone, admin or otherwise get so hot under the collar for someone making mistakes in the process, especially on a forum like this one that is vastly different from the kind you usually find. I have to admit, out of the hundreds of posts I've ever written on a diverse array of forums, this is the only one that I've ever typed on that was responded to with such an angry tone. Clearly, you are easy to get flustered as that was not even remotely the intent of my original post. This is not a classroom, and you are not an editor or writing professor so I didn't think that I would have to follow such stringent writing rules, especially when you consider your liberal and uncouth use of the English language. I really was of a negative opinion of the plot line of "Frozen Teardrops" and simply wanted to express it and THEN expand upon my reasoning when I got some responses. I was also posting to find more information and was melodramatic to sort of get the conversation going; I didn't ACTUALLY think anyone would take me THIS seriously, I was just being whimsical in my word usage! I could have easily been like you and posted my opinion with crude language and rude comments about someone else's work just to incite people, not caring how I sounded. I said it before and I'll say it again, this is not an essay for class that I have to back up with a "works cited" page, page numbers, and applications of terms used in class. Forums are normally places where people have civilized conversations and, if they don't understand something, calmly and politely ask what it is that the writer meant; flying off the handle and responding to a post in such a def-con 5 mode because I do not blatantly spell out my reasons for not liking something is inappropriate.
Since you seem so hot on the topic (and since you obviously don't except statements without nastily demanding a reason) I will list the reasons as follows:
1. The plot is "stupid" and counts for next to nothing when compared to the intricacies and driven plotlines of the other media surrounding the "Wing" universe.
2. It makes little sense to try and start a continuation storyline after wrapping up the previous one so completely: it feels disjointed and out of place.
3. The recurring characters from "Wing" lack the luster they displayed in the previous media and almost seem subdued and blasé.
4. The "newer models" of the next generation of characters are like poorly derived clones that lack focus and interest.
Seriously, all you really had to do was say something along the lines of "Really, I'm surprised someone dislikes it so much. What exactly don't you like?", or, "This forum relies on official information of the Gundam franchise and as such needs to have reasoning behind the posts, including opinions. Please indicate specifically what you don't like". . . it's just that easy. As such, I apologize that I have (seemingly) greatly offended you with my forum faux pas. I will gladly follow the rules now that I know them. Psybur 23:19, June 19, 2011 (UTC)
- Lol good god where do I start
- 1. You come on the wiki to start a FORUM POST. Seriously, right off the bat I can't even take you seriously.
- 2. Using big words doesn't make you less wrong. Nice thesaurus.com use there though.
- 3. Not even touching your giant paragraph of HOW DARE U!!!
- NOW THEN, as for your actual discussion points, which you ought to have started with:
- 1. Stupid isn't a qualitative problem. You need to give REASONS that it is stupid.
- 2. It's called a retcon. Gundam does this ALL THE TIME; do you think UC was originally meant to extend all the way to Unicorn? Do you think SEED was originally going to extend to Destiny? 00 was the first series to have ANY planned additions to it (2 seasons plus a movie).
- 3. I agree that some characters seem off; the one that struck me as the most off was Catherine Bloom, who has said throughout the series she hates war yet is now training Gundam pilots (lolwut), HOWEVER while everyone seems to be shitting their pants about Duo, I totally saw it coming with him. Heero, I think is under the influence of some kind of tampering with his memory but for now that's only a theory; and Relena has already been stated in the novel to have had her memory tampered with.
- 4. This is absolutely a legitimate concern, but Sakura Asagi is unfortunately not as great a character designer as she is an illustrator :/ I hope if this DOES get any animation they'll try to put a little more..detail? Effort? In making the character models more separate from their originators.
- And all you had to do was post this on a FORUM meant for DISCUSSION; not an encyclopedic website to which you haven't contributed anything else. I'm not replying again, because as AscendedAlteran said this wiki is not the place to have an in-depth series discussion. Have a nice day! :) Kit-chan 01:32, June 20, 2011 (UTC)
- It's nice to know you've gotten over yourself and withdrawn from this pointless argument.Psybur 02:42, June 20, 2011 (UTC)
Alright enough, both of you. You've said what you've wanted to say, now go do something that's actually productive. Psybur, welcome to Gundam Wiki, but the forum area isn't where you should be spending your time. If there's something you see in an article that needs to be improved, and trust me there's a lot of them, by all means improve it. Kit-chan, this applies to you just as much as it does to Psybur: As a general rule, we try not to antagonize each other. It leads to edit wars fueled solely by spite, which ruins what little reputation we manage to build up within the Gundam community and then we have to waste months getting it back to where it was. —AscendedAlteran 03:11, June 20, 2011 (UTC)