User talk:SonicSP

Hi, welcome to The Gundam Wiki! Thanks for your edit to the Anno Domini Mobile Units page.

Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! -- ValiantHeart (Talk) 04:20, 27 May 2009

Hello,I am a relatively new member to the wiki.I hope I would not offend anyone here and I am still unfamiliar with the sections.Is there a place to discuss aspects of the series,because I am sure some things are subject to intepration and may not be agreable with everyone.I hope I would fit in here

Worries about the leader!
Have you noticed how less Taikage has been coming on lately? I wonder if we should promote a substitue Admin or not? :I -Dav7d2 - The ChroniK Editor! 04:34, March 6, 2011 (UTC)

I think Sonic is already a admin, but I'm not 100% sure. On a side note, we need more stringent rules and regulations for creating pages, edits, references, pictures, etc.Gaeaman 788 - pilot of the RB-79/FS Ball Full Saber 06:24, March 6, 2011 (UTC)

Then create a forum page if you want harder restrictions on editors. -Dav7d2 - The ChroniK Editor! 07:51, March 6, 2011 (UTC)

uh, Sonic is not a admin as far as I know. -Dav7d2 - The ChroniK Editor! 08:44, March 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm not an admin as far as I'm aware. But I am quite sure that I am quite charming. Yeah, he seems to be less frequently than before though, maybe we should ask him what;s up since maybe his medical condition, or maybe he's just busier at work. -SonicSP 23:00, March 6, 2011 (UTC)

GN Particle..uhhhhh.....stuff....
http://min.us/llFPhK

Hey, does this make sense to you? -Dav7d2 - The ChroniK Editor! 08:43, March 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * I think it was posted long time ago in animesuki, but the guy who posted it suddenly disappeared. SonicSP might know that guy. --Bronx01 13:22, March 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * It's math...it doesn't make sense to me at allGaeaman 788 - pilot of the RB-79/FS Ball Full Saber 15:06, March 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * This chart was made by someone called tanqexe, who was one of the more prominent Gundam 00 technology theorists back in the day. I love reading his theories since they're always quite deep because he tries to incorporate real scientific facts in them. I really miss him to be honest. Right before S2 ended he just suddenly disappeared and stopped showing up, I wonder if he just lost interest or whether something happened to him. In any case, he once told me that he was trying to get into medical school so maybe he's just to busy for Gundam fandom anymore.


 * You can read most of his theories here. A lot of it is interesting, some in my opnion are outdated due to the last time he updated them was before S2 ended, before we even saw Ptolemaios go TA even. As far as my "GN science believe" goes, some of them are direct from his theory while some are some updates I considered from info that was released later on. I hold this guy in very high regard.


 * This graph looks complex but its actually quite simple. It refers to in his theory the statuses of the GN-Drive Output, The GN Condenser Storage energy level and the GN Particle individual energy level while Trans-Am is initiated. Note that the following is his theory, not really a series fact.


 * Graph one showcases, his theory of the Drive output in Trans-Am. Essentially, the graph is stating that the Drive releases a large amount of GN Particles at the initiation of the mode all in a short amount of time. Its essentially saying that after the large amounts of particles is release in that single instance, the Drive cuts of the particle supply to the rest of the system after that one large initial pump.


 * The second graph depicts the particles and energy level of the Condenser system during the Trans-Am system. As the GN Drive pumps large amounts of particle in that one instant, all the particles in the condenser goes to a super high quantum state due to the compression and this high pressure state gradually dies out as the system runs for the 3 minute duration.


 * The third graph looks at the general energy state of a GN PArticle during these stages. The lowest aka the starting point is "the normal" state of GN Particle while the highest state depicted in red is the "Trans-Am state" of the GN Particle due to it's super high compression due to that "instant large volume pump" that the GN Drive initiated.


 * It's a decent theory but I would personally change it a bit to reflect the more frequent Trans-Am that we keep seeing, some of which does not involve any GN Drive system being present at all but its a decent one. -SonicSP 23:17, March 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * I take it would be reasonable to assume that graphs 1 and 3 go through the roof during Trans-Am Burst and probably during Quantum System use too. It's pretty neat, is there any more stuff like this?
 * "Targeted and firi....Where'd he go?" Wingstrike 09:54, April 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * I take it would be reasonable to assume that graphs 1 and 3 go through the roof during Trans-Am Burst and probably during Quantum System use too. It's pretty neat, is there any more stuff like this?
 * "Targeted and firi....Where'd he go?" Wingstrike 09:54, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

The Voting for another Admin
Forum:Wiki needs an admin -Dav7d2 - The ChroniK Editor! 05:35, March 9, 2011 (UTC)

Active Mass Balance Auto-Control
Can you add more to the AD section of that page please. Thanks in Advance! -Dav7d2 - Is happy to be an Admin! =D 06:17, March 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * There's not much to add since its essentially the same as the UC AMBAC. Unless you want me to take the general info from the UC page and copy some data there just to make it look nicer? I can do that if thats what your asking, although not at the moment since I have exams. -SonicSP 06:20, March 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * Eh, I was just wondering if theres anymore you can add too it, if not, then nevermind. -Dav7d2 - Is happy to be an Admin! =D 06:38, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

About GN Sefer
SonicSP: You would know better than me about GNR-000 GN Sefer. I know we talked about this before, but I had hoped some time had passed enough to be lead to some definitive data. GN Sefer was designed as a prototype bit transfer system for Rasiel, but according to the gunpla article, it can be fitted with the other third generation Gundams as well. I was going to mention this on the third gen Gundam pages, but i thought i pass this through with you first. What are your feelings about this? Taikage - Admin 09:45, March 19, 2011 (UTC)



PS: Think you can clear out your discussion page a bit? Apologies if i sound rude, but it is getting harder to talk at times.


 * Hard to say, GN Sefer is one thing I never payed attention to so my knowledge about it is relatively little. However, when it comes to the "extra" gunplas, they're special ability to combine with other suits is not canon I believe. At least, this is the case for the XN Raiser as well. Its more of a something made for gunpla fun as opposed to a in-story fact. I see this pattern quite regularly with the "extra gunpla" packs like Sefer and XN Raiser, mainly made for the fun of the modelers which is a trait they keep emphasizing on these releases. At least, this is my opinion on it.


 * It even shows it compatible with the Throne Zwei, which really screams to me that this aspect of the design is really made for out of story as opposed to a in-story ability since the Zwei is not of the traditional Ptolemaios/Krung Trep lineage. I personally trust model magazine picture depictions less than I do with "official model ad" pictures, like the ones you see in the manuals. -SuperSonicSP 01:49, March 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah this is more of a marketing gimmick to promote the Sefer that in-universe information. It's kinda like the XN gimmicks which I have a feeling weren't in universe. Gaeaman 788 - is a administrator 02:17, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

Mobile Suit Gundam 00 "The Second Birthday"
Have you ever heard of Yun Kougas side manga by that name? apparently its one-shot that takes place on the eve of the Trailblazer. It revolves around Ribbons and his life and how he met Alejandro and questions his existence, I was wondering if it was cannonical at all? -Dav7d2 - Is happy to be an Admin! =D 05:34, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

http://ninteenpointzerofour.wordpress.com/2010/07/08/kouga-yuns-the-second-birthday-nt-august/ Oh wait I found some information on it, its apparently a side story or something along those lines. -Dav7d2 - Is happy to be an Admin! =D 05:38, March 20, 2011 (UTC)


 * Okay, I'll get to it sometime. As for Yun Kouga's mangas,I am under the impression that they are canon for the most part, however I am not entirely sure.


 * In other words, I personally think they're canon. They haven't exactly contradicted anything AFAIK, but at the same time the neutral me cannot confirm the canocity. They usually expand on things that happen during timeskips. There was one where Setsuna met Lyle in a bar too for the S2 timeskip, this is how he knew of Lyle and how he later contacted him to join CB. -SuperSonicSP 01:45, March 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * ergh, well we can't do anything unless its canonical .... -Dav7d2 - Is happy to be an Admin! =D 01:49, March 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * My suggestion is to insert it. I think it seems canonical enough and it hasnt contradicted anything yet. So it acts a lot like a sidestory IMO. More often than not we judge canocity when it contradicts anything anyways. Like we discounted 00A because it easily contradicts the main movie easily and how we count in the novels because they synchronize almost perfectly with the anime depiction.-SuperSonicSP 01:53, March 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * Mobile Suit Gundam 00 in those days [Manga]


 * http://www.mediafire.com/?dx4g546mz1fdmg4
 * http://www.mediafire.com/?tr0w6b672jep41e
 * http://www.mediafire.com/?dtkziyz9tw8dm2x
 * http://www.mediafire.com/?cn5n5w49nigji32
 * http://www.mediafire.com/?5bo32i92kw926um
 * http://www.mediafire.com/?02aihyec2r910fl


 * Well, I check these, I haven't seen Ribbons in a straight like jacket yet though. "In those days", which is the compilation book of Yun Kougas Gundam 00 sidestory mangas. -Dav7d2 - Is happy to be an Admin! =D 07:59, March 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * But then how did Lyle not know who Setsuna was when they met up at the Dylandy grave?Gaeaman 788 - is a administrator 11:08, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

"Unknown Sourcebook"
Of course, someone it gonna ask this sooner or later. So why did you list it as that? -Dav7d2 - Is happy to be an Admin! =D 05:04, March 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * This should explain:


 * Anyhows, this information came from a partial scan from a sourcebook we are not familiar with, or at least the scan was not enough for us us to identify the sourcebook. I pretty much got the text in said image translated in Suki, which I then posted here on Zook's 00 forum. Hence, I said unknown cos we do not know which sourcebook.


 * The double whammy of course, comes from us not knowing which book it was, but also due to the fact that this image is now deleted. At least the user posted one is as we speak. I originally wanted to put unknown source plus the link to the pic at least but the pic has been removed.


 * I thought about leaving the info citeless, but then again it is quite an important piece of info and I want at least the other editors to know it came from somewhere as opposed to a speculative piece of info. So I decided to just leave unknown sourcebook, with that disclaimer to contact me so I can explain how I got to know the info and the current state of where this info come from.


 * Anyways, the forum link has the accompanying translation by mike_s_6 as well, which I quoted from Suki. At least that is still there although the original image is not. -SuperSonicSP 05:14, March 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * slaps forhead* whatdo you know. The pic IS STILL THERE!!!!! Kay I'm an idiot then. -_- -SuperSonicSP 05:15, March 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm pretty positive that the said picture didn't even come from a sourcebook, but even less a magazine. -Dav7d2 - Is happy to be an Admin! =D 05:58, March 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * Heres the connection I made. Heres your photo, did you notice the hexagon with the word "column" in it? Heres what I am pretty sure are magazine scans   once again, notice it has the same hexagon with the word "column" in it. Thats my only connection I can make, since I haven't seen it any sourcebooks I have been through. -Dav7d2 - Is happy to be an Admin! =D 06:09, March 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * Do you happen to know where these scans are from? -SuperSonicSP 06:54, March 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry Sonic, I have no clue, I just know that these are scans that have been spread throughout the internet. None of my sources can tell me which magazine it came from. -Dav7d2 - Is happy to be an Admin! =D 07:11, March 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * It's okay. Don't worry about it. I think the imagelink should be good enough. -SuperSonicSP 07:12, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

Wisconsin?
Your in Wisconsin? I thought you were out of a different country. I live in Arizona, so I can see why their would be a 2 hour time difference. -Dav7d2 - Is happy to be an Admin! =D 08:34, March 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I live in Wisconsin at the moment. Though I am not a US resident, I'm just a student studying here for a few years. I originally came from Malaysia. I've only been here since mid January, so its still a bit new to me. Its pretty cold, even in late March but I like it. Where I come from, its hot all year round and while some may enjoy that, I'm frankly bored of it. -SuperSonicSP 08:50, March 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it gets pretty hot where I live, since its known for its heat -_-. Anywho, do you have a FB by any chance? -Dav7d2 - Is happy to be an Admin! =D 08:57, March 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm not a Facebook person so I don't use it very much (when most people use their freetime to do stuff on Facebook, I do the same intensity for 00 forums and this Wikia), but I still use it. Just search Zulfadzil Zulkifli


 * Even though my avatar is Sonic, I'm a fat person IRL. lol -SuperSonicSP 09:00, March 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * What does your profile picture look like? are you smiling or is there a game going on in the background? -Dav7d2 - Is happy to be an Admin! =D 09:04, March 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah...............there is a game going on in the background. Basically took an overseas trip to see my favourite soccer team like 3 something years ago. Was I smiling? I don't think so, but I should have had. I was just trying to look serious.


 * There isn't much pictures of me, as I said I don't FB a lot. I am doing it more often though now that the 00 Forums are dying down a bit. I really want a new AU series...........>__> -SuperSonicSP 09:09, March 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah Gundam/Gunpla all over seem to be dying down a bit. I guess when there isn't a show or "show to be expected", I guess it gets kinda dead. Yeah, a new AU series wouldn't be bad, I noticed you haven't really delved into the UC. I happen to have just started on UC, so far I've only seen Gundam Unicorn, Gundam F91 and War in the Pocket. Those are the easiest to start with, since there short and simple. Also have you tried AC yet? Oh, I found your profile, and sent a request. -Dav7d2 - Is happy to be an Admin! =D 09:20, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

I actually a bit hessitant to delve into UC due to the animation quality but I LOVEEE reading about anything UC related. Its a very deep world, historically, technologically and politically. But then again that is to be expected for a series thats more than 30 years old.

I'm not looking into AC at the moment, however I am considering watching Char's Counterattack later. I may notn have watched the original and Zeta but I am quite aware of their storylines in general. I dont think I will be watching ZZ anytime soon though. -SuperSonicSP 03:50, March 24, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Gallery Issues
Im looking at the GM Striker's page on Google Chrome and its fine to me. The Dynames page is fine too. Not sure if its your computer or the codingGaeaman 788 - The sign of Zeta leads to a dead end 22:28, April 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * Its not just the Dynames, page. All galleries on all pages are looking like that to me. It appears to be a problem when using the old skin, its fine when using the new one. Problem for me is, I hate the new skin quite a bit due to the allignment of the page (things are alligned to the left of the screen as opposed to the right on the old skin), so the articles all look super weird. *sigh* I really disliking Wikia for taking out all the old skins now........at least I can work with an old skin before, even if its not my favourite old skin. -SuperSonicSP 23:01, April 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * Hmm, its not just this Wiki though, I'm having the problem with all the Wikias. I wonder if there's a place I can ask for info about the issue. This is not enough to make me transition into the dreaded new skin however, I have far more prblems with that one as far as personal taste is concerned, but this is a massive inconvenience for viewing images.


 * For comparison basis, this is how it looks with the old skin, the one that appeared in the last 24 hours or so. This is how it appears in the new skin . The latter is fairly normal and is not in one long vertical line. -SuperSonicSP 23:13, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

Confusion
I am confused about the unit type on pages such as AMX-007 Gaza-E, I don't understand how it can be mass production and limited production. S im A nt 23:34, April 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm not a UC expert, but from my understanding limited production seems to mean a lower level of mass production (the SEM from 00 for example is classified as a mass production Seraphim, even though only two or 3 were made). "Production" in this context would mean producing a lot (even though linguistically this is not the case), and the word mass and limited would just refer to the scale. That's just my take though. -SuperSonicSP 02:55, April 28, 2011 (UTC)

Busy Recently
Been a bit busy with real life recently with final exams for the semester coming up. There's so much new flow of information coming from the forums especially in the sidestory department yet no time to update it now. I'll probably update them in a week or so when I'm more free. There's simply too much information, this update will take forever. >__> -SuperSonicSP 22:05, May 13, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Infobox
Redirects are good, the places where you don't want to use redirects i am currently working on Text in the infobox, but have run into technical problems with bugs/limitations/features, and may require another extension to attempt to accomplish this. As for the "font color", I can make them not appear as links if there is no page with the #ifexist parser. S im A nt 22:21, May 13, 2011 (UTC)

Raphael runs on a GN Condenser?
I'm not disputing you on the fact that Raphael runs on a condenser w/o Seravee, but doesn't that put Raphael at a huge disadvantage in battle? Assuming that they weren't dealing with aliens and stuff, there's not much physical evidence of a 3rd Tau Drive in Seravee IIGaeaman 788 - The sign of Zeta leads to a dead end 00:43, May 14, 2011 (UTC)

Hey does that mean that the Dominions GN-T Drive is in the Sera?Chriseasley 01:25, May 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * @Gaeaman: Thats what the book says, we have to take it at its word. Of course, there's really no clear visual evidence of any obvious Drive on base Raphael either so even if its in Raphael it has to be inside the actual suit away from obvious view. Prior to this, no source have elaborated on where the 3rd Drive was aside from the ones that can be visually be seen which are the in the GN Big Cannons. Its likely inside the actual torso of Seravee II I guess. I agree that its a bit weird decision to put all three Drives in one mobile suit but they've decide with this so that's that. Unless they choose to retcon it later or something.


 * Here's an interesting fact, all GN Drives in the Raphael lineage has been placed on their secondary forms once they seperate from the primary form: mainly Plutone's Core Fighter, Nadleeh, Seraphim and Seravee II get to keep the Drives (same goes for the GRM and Gadessa series). Of course only the last one is a multi Drive machine.


 * @chiriseasley: I do not know. Its likely and possible but we have no confirmation of that either or how many total Drives it has. The only confirmed Drive on Dominions is the one on the Virtue-type GN Bazooka which is stated in text of the chapter. -SuperSonicSP 03:46, May 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * Though this begs the question of why they would even bother making Seravee into a backpack when the Raphael is practically useless without. It just screams impracticality. -The Phantom Impact - The ultimate Super Robot from beneath the heavens 05:53, May 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * Probably because its actually hard to deploy the GN Big Cannons as remote weapons when Seravee II is active. Raphael is also much more general purpose than Seravee II and can act as a second MS if Tieria wished to dual tag. Utilising the GN Big Cannons II as the GN Claw is probably best with Raphael as well. I guess Tieria really felt like Seravee II needed all the juice it can get.


 * But losing Seravee II would really be a big blow if it were to happen, that would be the biggest downside. The question I have is why put the cockpit inside Raphael? It really does not look transferable, the height of their waists are quite far apart this time around. -SuperSonicSP 08:04, May 14, 2011 (UTC)

5th Generation
What up Sonic It me again and I wanted to ask you about the 5th G gundams. I can see how the 00 Qan(T) and Raphael are 5th G. but what about the Zabanya and Harute they were made from Cherudim and Arios so wouldn't they be 3.6Chriseasley 01:25, May 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * sigh* I do not know. Quite frankly I agree with you, they should not be 5th Generation from what I can see. Because they were made with Harute/Zabanya frame design. Raphael should not even be one as well IMO, if the Twin Drive is the requirement for a 4th Generation level. I would be more happier if they retconned the non 00 S2 back to 4th Gundams again since that would make the current 5th Generation thign easier to understand(which was the case before the 2nd Mechanics book retcon it)


 * This could be part of an inconsistent on the part of the book writers (which quite frankly happens ALOT). There word "3.5" appears in the text above the chart I posted, so its possible they explained it, which is why I sent the scan to BraveComannder for translation.


 * My current theory is that the 3.5 thing is a special two tier generation classification that CB used to seperate the 00 from the other Gundams only when it comes to the "S2 Gundams" machines as a whole. If you look at the chart, the 3.5 and the 4th Generation were labeled in the same height, and with the same line that puts the "3.5" in a parenthesis. So it could be that they're just rounding up the 3.5, but still use it to seperate 00 from the rest and that they have decided to drop this for the next generation. That's my take of it at the moment.


 * But truly, the issue is confusing, which was why I am hoping the book clarifies it a bit more. -SuperSonicSP 01:31, May 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi Sonic I have another qeustion about the 5th G gundams, I've been reading their T&C and they say that 00 Qan(T) was designed and tuned specifically Setsuna, Zabanya was designed with Lyle Dylandy's more direct combat preferences, Harute was designed for both specifically Allelujah Haptism and Soma Peries, and Raphael was made and used for Tieria. So aren't all the 5th G gundams custom jobs.Chriseasley 16:26, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

Depends on your definition of custom jobs, fact of the matter is a lot of the Gundams have been been customized machines from the start in some definition. I believe I've read somewhere before that Exia was already customized for Setsuna's style somewhere before recently in one of the sidestories (I think it was in one of the 00P chapters) so it does suggest to us that the pilot gets some say in the actual development of the final product. In fact, more likely than not suits like Cherudim were already created with a specific pilot tuning in mind. In this example might still be Neil even though he's dead (and all they can actually base it on, being the predecessor suit pilot) and Lyle ends up using it. But you are right in a sense that we do hear more sources talking about how specific these 5th Gen designs were made for specific people like you have mentioned, at least they seem to be pointing it out more.

If I were to put it into words, I would say that the 5th Gens are more "customized" in general than before. I probably won't say that the previous Gundams werent customized at all but probably to a lesser extent than the 5th Generations were. Afterall, its probably not a smart thing to create a powerful single-unit suit without customizing it to a certain extent for the person you expect to pilot for a long time. Further "personal customization" is always possible though like how the 00 Gundam Seven Sword was specifically designed for Setsuna's style even moreso than the regular 00 Gundam.

Also, I think whenever they talk about Qan(T) being customized for Setsuna, it really appears to me to have a double meaning, more likely referring to that fact that its designed for an Innovator. He's Celestial Being's only one at that point so any Innovator function Qan(T) has can be mentioned as "designed for Setsuna" since he's the only one among them likely to use it. Qan(T) does require an Innovator just to pilot and use some functions like Quantum Burst or even just manipulating the Sword Bits. Not that there arent any personal traits of his there (because redundant swords and throwing flying blades are his thing in general) but I think the sources should be referring to the customization as an Innovator more than anything else. Having said that, its definitely tailored with him in mind though, don't think they (CB) can imagine anyone else using it. -SuperSonicSP 00:13, September 10, 2011 (UTC)

Something odd about some pages
Hey, have you noticed something weird with some of the pages? When I go to a page (I was just at the Impulse's page) the user accommodation is...out of the infobox. It's written like User Accomodation:: Pilot only, cockpit in lower torso using [[YFX-M56S Core Splendor|]] at the very top of the page. It's been going on throughout some pages, and when I try to edit the page, the WYSIWYG format says that it's perfectly fine.Gaeaman 788 - The sign of Zeta leads to a dead end 05:27, May 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * http://gundam.wikia.com/index.php?title=Template:Infobox_Mobile_Suit&diff=103089&oldid=102941
 * Seems like something Simant added to the MS template about the accommodation. -Dav7d2 - I like edit naked when no one is around! &gt;;D 05:49, May 19, 2011 (UTC)

Seravee II
Seravee dont have 3 gn drive taus instead 2 gn drive taus and 1 large gn condenser, leaving raphael on 1 gn drive taus. the legs also can perform secret attack, leaving seravee II on the large gn condenser(and Seravee II can move also with its large gn condenser and attack with bazooka).


 * Both the Final Mechanics and the 00 Movie Dengeki Data Collection sourcebooks disagree with you. Both specifically mention that Seravee has three Drives equipped on it, the Final Mechanics book in particular mentioned that Raphael goes with the Large GN Condenser when it separates. Prior to this, we speculated that one Drive was on Raphael (which is a reasonable first guess) but the sourcebooks have put the issue to rest. Why the hell did Tieria decide to put all the Drives on Seravee and not leave any for Raphael? I don't know, just that he did.


 * The issue was also discussed recently on this very talk page, a few topics above this one. Its right after I posted posted the information into the articles. -SuperSonicSP 09:59, May 20, 2011 (UTC)

About Lyle
Sonic, based on the show and some of the sources you put on Zabanya's & Cherudin's pages, would it be safe to say that Lyle is better in close combat than Neil was. Because even though he is the sniper of the team, Lyle's more directly engaged in combat with enemies with Cherudim, and Dynames only used its beam saber twice. So I was wondering if that was applicable to Lyle's pageGaeaman 788 - The sign of Zeta leads to a dead end 05:38, June 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * Im not sure, I think it's better to say that he's bettet at direct combat/general purpose combat than sniper as opposed to saying that Neil is bad at it. You have to take into account Cherudim's more easier to use melée capabity based on design as well.


 * in other words, I think we should just say Lyle is a more direct combat oriented rather indirect sniper oriented. Close combat would not necessrily be the best description, since Zabanya is designed for a lot of long range attacks as well, just that they thy are used/piloted is more suited to a conventional pilot rather than one who manually aims for everything with the lightgun. -SuperSonicSP 06:38, June 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * But yeah, the whole pilot skill thing seems applicable to Lyle's page. I just think it's better to say that he's less sniper and more normal fighting oriented guy. Of course, Neil bet once with Ian he never needed to use the beam sabers of which he lost. But it's impossible to tell this objectively since Neil never got a chance to use Cherudim, and we don't know whether any of the pilots are overall better than the other. But we do know that Lyle is more suited for more general purpose type fighting, that may be the key word I think. -SuperSonicSP 07:22, June 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, it's clear that Neil isn't the best at close combat with Dynames, but that can be attributed to Dynames being too specific of a sniper unit or Neil's actual skills. I'll put in that Lyle's more suited as a general purpose (which could be taken as being a more well rounded pilot) pilot.Gaeaman 788 - The sign of Zeta leads to a dead end 23:28, June 11, 2011 (UTC)

00 Raiser shape
I read somewhere before that the 00 Raiser is meant to be shaped like a bat. Is this true, and if it is, do you know where this came from? --Bronx01 (talk|contribs) 14:41, June 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * I..........I do not know whether its true or not. Even if it is, its likely to be some comment by a designer or something. I have never heard about this, so I really cannot comment about how real this is.


 * I will say that it does not look like a bat to me though. Well, maybe a bit when the Raiser wings are seen "flapping" horizontally though, which it does a lot of the times we see 00 Raiser in action. -SuperSonicSP 15:40, June 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * I kinda got it. here. --Bronx01 (talk|contribs) 00:18, June 11, 2011 (UTC)

No Internet Connection!
Sorry for not being on so much, I lost my internet connection. I'm making this message at a McDonalds that has free Wi-Fi......<_<. Boy, did I miss alot..... I'll try to check in as much as I can. Thanks! -Dav7d2 - I like edit naked when no one is around! &gt;;D 16:47, June 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * Alright then. Is your internet fixed yet? I saw you browsing the Gundam 00 forum today. -SuperSonicSP 06:16, June 12, 2011 (UTC)

Favor
Would you mind seeing if your translation friend can translate this for me?

ビーム・シールド×２　頭部バルカン×２　ハードポイント×１０　ビーム・サーベル×４　ビーム・バズーカ（３０話）　マルチプルランチャー付きビーム・ライフル（ハンドガン併用）　メガビーム・ライフル　メガビーム・シールド　投網型機雷（４７話）

—AscendedAlteran 16:16, June 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * I sent the request, let's see whether she will accept or not. She's not the best translator I know (by her own comments), which is why she limits her translations for self use or simple ones. -SuperSonicSP 15:43, June 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * That's the best I can hope for, really. Thanks. ^_^ —AscendedAlteran 16:10, June 10, 2011 (UTC)

I've got it, here's what she said:


 * By Homeless 


 * Some of this is a bit rough, I had to use Denshi Jisho to look up the parts of the last one. 


 * Beam Shield x2 
 * Head Vulcan x2 
 * Hardpoint x10 
 * Beam Saber x4 
 * Beam Bazooka (episode 30) 
 * Multiple Launcher-attached Beam Rifle (combined Handgun) 
 * Mega Beam Rifle 
 * Mega Beam Shield 
 * casting net-type mine (episode 47) 


 * I imagine this is probably talking about V2 Gundam.

-SuperSonicSP 16:44, June 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks a bunch. You can tell her she's right: It is the V2. I'm working on the articles for that series, trying to get some freaking references to use. —AscendedAlteran 17:22, June 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * Given her knowledge, she probably already knows she's right. -SuperSonicSP 17:45, June 10, 2011 (UTC)

Would you mind seeing if she's willing to translate these two?

武装：胸部マルチパーパスサイロ(ミサイル、ビーム・ドライブユニット、他装備可能)ビーム・ライフル、シールド、ガンダム・ハンマー、ビーム・サーベル×2、月光蝶、腹部ビーム・キャノン×2

武装：背部ウェポンプラットホーム"キャラパス"(ビーム・ライフル、バズーカなど多数の武器の複合体)、右手(3連装ビーム投射システム、溶断破壊マニピュレーター＜シャイニング・フィンガー＞)、脚部メガ粒子砲×2、胴体(9つのパーツに分離し、それぞれの内蔵武装でオールレンジ攻撃を仕掛けることが可能)、頭部(コクピットである「Xトップ」は、軌道衛星砲カイラスギリーのコントロールシステム)

—AscendedAlteran 23:50, June 10, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry Ascended. I am too embrassed to ask her again. That woman has done too much for the Gundam 00 community, including buying and ripping out the pages of the Mechanics sourcebooks just so she can share it with us the high quality scans; not to mention her news updates. And she frequently helps me out with any referencing questions I need. I.......I am too embarased to ask her again. And she has to do most of the work here, not me. -_-

I'll save this and give it to her in the future, but at the moment I'll just hold on to it. Sorry, I wish I could help, but I do not feel like burdening her at the moment. I actually think she would take on the job, but I frequently ask for her help in a lot of matters, and I do not feel like using up her goodwill at the moment. Maybe later okay? Sorry, I'm being dramatic, but I really think I ask her help too often.


 * Is there anyone else you think wouldn't mind doing it? —AscendedAlteran 20:52, June 11, 2011 (UTC)

You know..........this would not happen to be related to Shining Gundam's arms would it?-SuperSonicSP 17:52, June 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * No, it's not related to the Shining Gundam's arms; why do you ask? —AscendedAlteran 20:52, June 11, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, I asked her anyways and this is what she said:


 * Tell your friend that MAHQ's profiles for Turn A and Turn X already have the contents of those blurbs nearly word for word. 


 * The only other notable point is that it repeats the idea that the Turn X Top (the head) can serve as a control system for the Keilas Guillie from Victory. 

-SuperSonicSP 13:25, June 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * Sheesh, she didn't have to sound so rude about it. —AscendedAlteran 15:49, June 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * She's not being rude, she's just pointing out that the information can be found the MAHAQ pages, word for word. She just giving the meaning quickly without typing the whole thing. -SuperSonicSP 16:22, June 12, 2011 (UTC)

Blue GN Particles
I was the one who added that Blue colour to the GN particles, thanks for clarifying that. I had a sneaking suspicion that it was just some artisitic styling, but I figured it wouldn't hurt to try. I'm not too experienced on anything outside of the anime, so sorry about any inconvenience. ^_^; XBiocorex 17:26, June 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * No problems, no harm done. I got a sense of goodwill from your edits on the GN Particle and Qan(T) pages, so I knew you were not a new user that's here to vandalise the pages or something (and unfortunately we do get that from time to time, so we have to be careful). I also partly wrote that wall of text for your benefit, I did not want you to think I was some veteren guy who deleted it for the sake of deleting it. I had a very good factual reason to do it and I did not want you to feel unwelcome or anything. Don't worry about it.


 * And I guess, I should say welcome to Gundam Wikia as well. That message on your talk page is automated, but this is the real me talking. -SuperSonicSP 17:41, June 11, 2011 (UTC)

About Astraea Type F
I'm working on the article right now and I wish to complete it by tonight. I'm a bit confused by some information. I'm not sure if it's you who wrote it, but someone wrote that Fon Spaak abandoned the unit and its GN Drive, but I thought all GN Drives were in use by the the Ptolemy team. Could you give me some clarity please? Thanks. Taikage - Admin 04:54, June 17, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm not SonicSP, but at the end of the 00F, Fon Spaak, after getting his hands on a super computer terminal (the supposed to be Veda in the moon), left the Astraea F2 and its Drive on the moon. That happened before Season 2 date.


 * About the drives. S1, the Ptolemy have 4 of the drives and the other was said to be with the Fereshte. After Celestial Being's defeat, Fon recovered Kyrios' GN Drive. Fereshte got 2 drives. Fon took the Astraea F2 and Hixar took the Sadalsuud F; each of them containing true Gn Drives. At the end of 00F, Fon left the Astraea F2 on the moon, which Celestial Being recovered, while Hixar returned the Sadalssud F. With that, the main Celestial Being team/Ptolemy II have the 5 Gn Drives by the time the events of Season 2 hits.


 * --Bronx01 (talk|contribs) 05:31, June 17, 2011 (UTC)


 * ^What he said. The statement was referring to the Astraea F2 and at the end of 00F, which takes place during the TV Series timeskip. The Ptolemaios team was inactive at that point so some of the 5 Drives were being used.


 * By the way, I think we should implement the heavy weapons type variant on the page that was discussed in the talk page. -SuperSonicSP 14:27, June 17, 2011 (UTC)

Which trigger quantatization? - Twin Drive System or Raiser System
Confused with this wiki abit. Raiser System page stated it was Trans Am Raiser the one trigger quantatization ( however, based on my understanding from the anime, it was Twin Drive System which do that sort of magic move while Trans Am Raiser? Seriously, it was the name of the Gigantic Beam Sword Attack isn't it?) Gundamfan99 00:26, June 24, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'll check the page later and see any disrepencies, I have not read it in a while. Although technically it is an observed assumption that 00 Raiser can only use quantum teleport while its in Trans-Am. As I've mentioned in the Raiser System page, the term Trans-Am Raiser is used for two things: 1)the giant sword and 2)00 Raiser while its in normal Trans-Am. They are seperate meanings. In this case, it should refer to the latter.


 * Of course, the Twin Drive System is the reason why quantisation is possible due to its large ouput and such however whenever a sentence says that quantisation is usable only in Trans-Am Raiser, its saying that only 00 Raiser in Trans-Am can use it.


 * We still do not know what "activates" 00 Raiser's quantisation, because its not a machine ability and a byproduct of the Twin Drive, with no visible and obvious control methods. Its not like Trans-Am which was unlocked and can be readily use by the pilot anytime thereafter on the machine's user interface. Its not totally random either, Setsuna gets some say on when it uses it but whatever that method looks uncertain.


 * My personal theory is that Setsuna's quantum brainwaves can unconsciously activate it by interacting/resonating with the Twin Drive (much like his QBW resonate with the Twin Drive to use Trans-Am Burst); which may explain why he has no direct conscious control over it; at least not in the same way he swings a sword or press a button to activate Trans-Am. Setsuna may have been in the early stages if Innovation when it first appeared, possibly for some amount of QBW to start appearing. That's my theory anyways. -SuperSonicSP 14:07, June 24, 2011 (UTC)

About Virtue/Nadleeh
Since we know that Nadleeh can deploy by itself in emergencies, and that the Virtue armors are add ons on top of Nadleeh, would it make sense to list Virtue's Particle and Physical armors as optional arms for Nadleeh?Gaeaman 788 - The sign of Zeta leads to a dead end 04:31, June 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * I've had this thought before myself actually, but I decided not to do so.


 * Normally, I would agree but some 00P chapter paratranslations I've read really emphasizes/implies the "single unit"-ness of Nadleeh/Virtue. Nadleeh was never designed to be a stand alone machine under most circumstances, and its supposed to be equiped with Virtue armor most of the time. This is why I hessitate with putting Virtue as "optional equipment" when its supposed to be there in 95% of the scenarios in design plan. If anything, one can argue that "Nadleeh" is actually an "optional form" of Gundam Virtue based on how their building-up/explaining Virtue in the 00P (as well as its usage in the anime), but putting that on the Virtue Particle page is going to be hard.


 * Virtue Physical of course, is not used often/at all so the "its supposed to be there 95% of the time" argument does not work here. I hesitate with Physical for a different reason. Physical is actually barred from being deployed at all by Veda; the reason being that Veda does not want the enemy to know the commonpoint between Virtue Physical and Virtue Particle (Particle has been chosen at ths point) which is Nadleeh. Because its been banned from being used lawfully, even though exists, I wonder whether the optional part should be placed since using Physical is not really a legal option for the Ptolemaios team. These are my argument/reasonings. -SuperSonicSP 14:09, June 28, 2011 (UTC)

Credit to the Brave
Sonic I've been reading the T&C characteristics of both Brave types and it said that it was desiged by engineers from the Union and AEU, but is also said that when it tranformation it's arms are being folded to the rear which is from the data that they took from Kyrios when the HRL captured it so shouldn't say thay also helped.Chriseasley 17:14, July 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * There's a difference between contributing some data in helping the design, then actually engineering the thing yourself. The HRL is not involved with the designing of the Brave at all to my knowledge, their only known involvement probably contributing the transformation data from captured Kyrios.


 * The first line about the AEU and Union designing the Brave is primarily saying that they designed the Brave. The fact that HRL contributed some data still does not change that fact. It is not that the HRL did not help, the sentence is essentially just naming on the primary designers of the machine (as opposed to naming all those who contributed to the project); which is an engineering team from both the AEU and Union. It certainly not out of the question for the HRL to share data on Kyrios, without having any of their personnel actually participating in the design team. -SuperSonicSP 17:59, July 23, 2011 (UTC)

those infos were sent to me via emails by acquaintances from within sunrise, most of them will be posted to the more accurate and authentic japanese gundam wikia, which this wikia lack of. what i did was merely improving the detail level and accuracy of this site. so would you please kindly stop deleting my edits. thx.

"empirical" or "empiricle"? and how do i present my evidence?

Content Team Assistance
Hi! I'm Mark, from Wikia's Content Team. As the wiki is doing so well, I thought I'd drop by and offer my assistance. The wiki is already in a great state, but if there's anything you'd like to see fixed just ask me :). Personally I was thinking I could add a nice wordmark, re-do the skin and categorize/fix all uncategorized pages. Naturally I won't do any of this without the permission of the local admins, so I'm leaving all admins this message. Drop me a message on my talk page if you'd like me to help out or if you have any questions, and I'll get right on it :-). Cheers, Mark  ( talk ) 18:27, August 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * I've created a forum page here so we can discuss this with the entire community. Mark  ( talk ) 19:17, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

00 Raiser
Excuse me, a sentence in 00 raiser page states that the 00 gundam has an angelic-like form after combining with the 0 raiser (second paragraph of "Technology & Combat Characteristics"). Do you agree with that? I think we should remove that since I see no angelic form in 00 raiser at all. Well, I think I need to ask for your (the admin's) oppinion before remove it. Thx Pronunciation 12:12, August 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * It does look a bit like an angel in my opinion especially when it has Raiser those wings of light but this is a very subjective manner. You may remove it if you feel like it does not fit; I'm neutral in opinion to the angelix description. If you feel like it does not fit, then by all means remove it. You can also ask the other editors and see what they think. -SuperSonicSP 19:27, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

New or Old members
Hi sonic I wanted ask who are the pilots of Exia R3 and Raphael D since Setsuna and Tieria are not on earth anymore are their new members of what?Chriseasley 17:15, September 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * Don't know, their main pilots were never really mentioned. It's probably safe to put Setsuna as the R3's pilot because we knew from Veda2314 Twitter he piloted the Exia to get to Saji/Louise during the movie's events. Dominions appearance did start post movie after Tieria had supposedly left with Setsuna so we don't know who piloted the Doninions at this pointz. -SuperSonicSP 22:48, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

Though we don't know if Exia R3 was used in 2314 by Setsuna. We know that R2 was used to get to Saji & Louise, but not R3.Gaeaman 788 - The sign of Zeta leads to a dead end 12:30, September 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * Actually, it just said Exia, no indication of II or III. The assumption that R3 is used is based on the facts that:


 * 1) R3 used Condenser; CB used these things now instead of GN Drives on old Gundams
 * 2) R3 is developed with concealing much of CBs operation in mind, which is what they are trying to do in 2314.

--Bronx01 (talk|contribs) 15:33, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

Well that makes sense, has anyone translated the story for "Fight for Dialogue" yet?Gaeaman 788 - The sign of Zeta leads to a dead end 15:52, September 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * EDIT: I think Japanese wikipedia points to R3 being the upgrade of Exia R2 after its battle against 0 Gundam (Ribbons), and it cited the 00V. I think that should be an indicator that it is R3 that Setsuna could have piloted (if Veda2314 is to be believed).

--Bronx01 (talk|contribs) 15:55, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

So all evidence points to R3 being used by Setsuna I assume? I'm willing to put it on the page if that's enough information, or should we wait until Fight for Dialogue is translatedGaeaman 788 - The sign of Zeta leads to a dead end 16:16, September 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * I have doubts it would be fully translated or that anything else that may help us is in it. E08 has a very good eye on important points as he has showcased in his 00N transcripts and he only provided the new rifle cloaking info that I placed earlier. So I doubt the chapter would help that much further.


 * Having said that, it's important to note that we go by a "Known Pilot" system. It can be safely assumed that the R3 was created straight from damaged R2 of the previous two repairs are any indication. Even of this gets mostly used by some random CB guy later, we just need some semi confirmation that Setsuna used it and that should be enough to list him under the "Known Pilots" category even if it turns out that he didn't pilot it the most; which is always plausible. I think we should put it in if it's not done already. -SuperSonicSP 06:08, September 5, 2011 (UTC)

Mini Raiser Sword
Hi Sonic i was watching a old episode of 00 gundam season 2 and I saw something odd, before Gadessa can shoot the mega launcher it's stoped by two large beam swords so does that mean 00 raiser can make a mini raiser sword?Chriseasley 19:46, September 17, 2011 (UTC)


 * Are you referring to Episode 14 where 00 used two giant beam sabers to cut down the asteroid the Gadessa was standing on? We can probably guess that those are from GN Sword II beam sabers. The GN Sword II comes with a beam saber mode and has been seen twice including the scene your referring to and the other instances is when Setsuna used it as the tip of a "spear" (of his Staff GN Sword II) in a stabbing motion against Susanowo in Episode 22, which of course Susanowo deflected and disarmed the GN Sword IIs in a counter move.


 * If the links don't work, directly copy paste it into your browser.


 * Here's an illustration of it from the 1/100 00 Raiser manual; its the most bottom picture of the GN Sword II section:
 * http://www.dalong.net/review/00/0113/p/0113_mb0011.JPG


 * Here's another one seen being used by the HG 1/144 Trans-Am Raiser kit:
 * http://www.dalong.net/review/00/0h42/p/0h42_33.jpg


 * The size in general appears smaller in this pictures but I assume that like other beam sabers of this generation they are size variable and we do know Trans-Am can be used to increased blade size to the huge size it was seen in in Episode 14. -SuperSonicSP 03:47, September 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * We can see that mini raiser sword (or just looks alike) more clearly in Gundam Musou 3. And yes, it is fired from the GN Sword II... Pronunciation 02:48, October 1, 2011 (UTC)

Seven Swords in SRW Z2
Hi there... Have you ever played Super Robot Taisen Z2 (PSP)? I played it recently and find an odd thing about Exia. In the game, the GN Sword is Exia's weakest attack that belong to the category of seven swords (I've written it in notes & trivia of Exia's page). Do you think that this is a mistake from the game's developer? Or it is true that the GN Sword is the most non-lethal among the seven swords? Please note that usually Super Robot Taisen series is very accurate about the units specs in the game (eg: DRAGOON weapons cannot be used on earth, Wing 0's vulcan is stronger that the regulars, etc). Thx for your opinion... Pronunciation 07:57, September 25, 2011 (UTC)


 * I never played any of the Super robot games so I cannot say but Exia's GN Sword should not be the weakest of the Seven Sword by any measure. So yeah I think its a mistake.


 * Having said that, each solid sword of Exia's are more specialised weapons that are created for different situation. For example, Exia's main solid sword is the largest and with this it should be the most powerful when it can be swung at full force. The advantage of the smaller solid swords is that they require much less force exerted (being lighter and smaller) to reach enough momentum to reach the critical point where they can deal decent damage, thus they are more advantageous in times where Exia has much less swing space. If we compare all of them at their fastest speeds and best swings, the original GN Sword should deal the most damage in theory because it is presumably the heaviest and largest of all of them (this should be the "general measure of level if we were to simplify something into a game like mode). Yet in situations where Exia have much less swing space, or places where Exia cannot swing the sword to its fullest velocity, then smaller lighter and can reach their effective velocity easier and faster and less space than the larger GN Sword.


 * One example of the GN Sword not doing well without enough swing space is in Season 1 Episode 3, where the sword barely dented Sergei's High Mobility Tieren at all. These types of situations are in theory more advantageous for smaller swords, or as the the events that showed, beam sabers.


 * For the record, no stats have been given out on any of the swords but there should be no reason on why it should be the weakest out of the seven swords, especially once you take into account the GN Short Blade there, which is a very small sword indeed and it hasn't been described anywhere as being a super powerful weapon or anything. Now since the Blades are usually used in pairs, maybe as combo they might be more powerful but even that is hard to measure or be certain. The only piece of information that might help that representation in the game is the fact that the GN Blades had the most development time of all Exia's weapons (according to the HG Exia manual) but that's all.


 * This is all of course a very subjective topic because we don't have any stats or descriptions but the main GN Sword being the weakest should not be the first obvious conclusion one usually comes to in my opinion. Games are also not usually a source of good canon (they've been labeled under the Black category too by Sunrise), even if the series have a good track record of representing stats before. -SuperSonicSP 00:11, September 26, 2011 (UTC)


 * Whoa, such a detailed and clear information you give. Actually I also agree with you that GN Sword should not be the weakest among the seven sword. Your explanation makes me more convinced that this is a mistake from the game developers. And yeah, your assumption is right. The GN Blades are the strongest attack among the seven sword (the second strongest after Trans-Am attack). And it is received earlier in the game. Well, thx a lot, Sir. Maybe my question is actually not important. I'm only so curious why the GN Sword is weaker than its seven swords companion, even weaker than the beam saber. I sure hope that this glitch will be rectified in the next SRW games. It's bothering me, somehow. Once again, thx a lot... Pronunciation 02:24, September 26, 2011 (UTC)


 * If its on the PSP, maybe I should consider getting it. I'm always up for a Gundam game.


 * In any case, it is possible that the developers consider the GN Blades as a pair rather than individuals. I don't know the numbers, but if for example the GN Sword was 100 and if the Long Blade was 70 and the Short Blade was 50, than the result of the Blade pair would be 120. In the end if they are always used as a pair, them being stronger should not be out of the question since they are "two" swords rather than one, even if they're not that big. GN Blades also used two arms in its attack and one can logically assume that two power conduits to power two seperate blades can be more powerful than one. Outside of a game though, one can assume that the tradeoff of using the Blades would be the shield not only becomes harder to use but weighs on the left-armed blade as well. I don't think they should be Exia's strongest even as a pair but I think they are still not to be trifled with.


 * Whatever the case, the GN Sword is definitely Exia's best weapon simply because of the fact that it has a rifle mode, which is important attacking aspect for Exia. In addition, it also acts as a smaller "right handed" shield for Exia, which I think Exia partially made us back in Season 1 Episode 1. So its overall versatility relative to the GN Blades is unquestionable. Its only weakness is that in some situations its size becomes a handicap rather than a strength, but I believe covering this weakness would be the reason why the GN Blades were created in the first place, which makes the three swords synch well with each other as a package. The fact that Exia can easily switch between one and the other in combat (the weigh of the shield and the GN Sword on the arms the only weakness in regular use) makes it a good concept.


 * Too bad the GN Sword Kai on the R2 rendered the GN Blades obsolete though.-SuperSonicSP 02:59, September 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yap, it is on PSP. If you really like 00 series then I recommend you to get it since 00 takes the majority of the game's storyline along with Gundam Wing, Macross F, Code Geass and Gurren Lagann. And you can see for yourself about the GN Sword glitch. Sometimes I feel that game developers do not really like the large GN Sword series. Beside the weakened GN Sword in SRT Z2, the 00 Raiser even did not carry the GN Sword III the in Gundam Musou 3!!! It's a pity, is it?
 * An addition info about GN Blades in SRT Z2: Exia also throw the GN Beam Daggers to its enemy during the GN Blades attack... Pronunciation 03:38, September 26, 2011 (UTC)

Depends on what they want to use I guess. In some sense, GN Sword III is more of an upgradable add-on rather than being on the base. Essentially like the GNHW set for the other three. I personally like the GN Sword II more than III though in terms of design. Design wise, it has more attacking option and combos although the III is obviously more powerful in terms of raw power being a late upgrade and all. -SuperSonicSP 03:59, September 26, 2011 (UTC)

GN Drives Five or More
Hi sonic I konw that you are getting sick of the werid and odd questions I ask you but, today I was reading all of E. R. Rays kids pages and I stoped and remembered something odd. It's said that Sky Eclipse made five GN Drives but, when I on Beside Pain page I click on 1 Gundams page and it said in 2302 it had a true GN Drive and all of the GN Cannons have one to so does that mean their are more true GN Drives still out their?Chriseasley 19:27, September 26, 2011 (UTC)


 * Beside stole 3 of the 5 GN Drives to use in 1 Gundam and GN Cannons. They were recovered after Beside Pain was defeated in 2302. --Bronx01 (talk|contribs) 23:57, September 26, 2011 (UTC)

Eh, I don't get annoyed by questions, I love them. The more you ask, the happier I am because I get a chance to tap into my 00 knowledge reserve and talk about it. The other forums talk about 00 are down, not surprisingly.

Bronx is pretty much right on the money. Beside stole 3 Drives from Celestial Being's hanger and placed them in 1 Gundam and two other GN Cannons (piloted by two other Innovades). The other two Drives were in Artemie and Nadleeh (which was being tested by Tieria elsewhere) at this point in time. Sky Eclipse did not make the Drives alone though, he was part of a whole team that made them.

There are only 5 Original Drives period that was created by Celestial Being, not counting the extra two they created later for 00 Qan(T) and the many more used by the society in the future. -SuperSonicSP 00:56, September 27, 2011 (UTC)

Oooh so he stole them but, something does not add up becasue their are more than  two GN Cannons see.Chriseasley 06:30, September 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * That's Beside Pain's dream/wish --Bronx01 (talk|contribs) 10:50, September 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that's basically Beside's imagination there. Its a scenario in if his rebellion in 00P rebellion were to succeed (which it did not). In this scenario, he and his team would be the one to perform the combat interventions instead. I believe the picture is depicting him and his team performing one, hence why they're squashing Tierens and stuff.


 * The weird part about this picture is that in the "full version" of it there are actually six original particle mobile suits being used in total. I'm not sure whether the picture was meant to be cropped like the one beside here (thus the last one not visible) or whether they just screwed up. Of course, the easy answer would be one of them using a Large GN Condenser but I still find it peculiar because non of the MS here are designed for docking with each other and using solo Large Condenser suits at this point in time was unheard off unless its really an emergency (like Beside's rebellion in 00P forcing Grave to sortie in his Condenser Rasiel). Hell six year prior to this, even the low particle consumption Rasiel could only last 30 minutes on one charge in a 00P sortie, so I imagine it would have improved but on higher consumptions suits probably won;t increase the time by that significantly much. Maybe it happens to be one of the 1 Gundams using only low powered beam shots to kill strays.? o_O Meh, I'm thinking too much, its just his bloody imagination. Beside could have also asked for a victory parade and a squad of Innovade cheerleaders in the same scene if he wanted to.


 * Oh, sorry about the rant in this paragraph, I was just typing out my thoughts for the most part.-SuperSonicSP 00:11, September 28, 2011 (UTC)

00 Qan[T]... Is it so powerful?
Yahoo... It's me again with a question still about 00 universe (I hope you have not fed up yet...). Just a simple question this time. Promise... I recently read the 00 Qan[T] article and found this sentence:

..."the 00 Qan[T] is so powerful that it could possibly have eliminated the entire ELS attack force single-handedly had Setsuna chosen not to communicate with them"

Is/are there any evidence(s) or proof(s) about it (from a guide book or something else maybe)? Is any, can you show it to me? Honestly, the 00 Qan[T] does not look so powerful from my point of view in the movie. Thanks... Pronunciation 11:52, September 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * It's actually written in 00 Qan[T]'s MG instruction manual, I think (see the "References" section). HPZ - O.N.E. 12:12, September 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * Ow, I see. I have the MG actually, but can't read the manual book (common sense). But I've heard that model kit manual book is not so canon in fact. The example of this is the history section in manual book of MG Strike Freedom. In that book the Strike Freedom is actually planned as ZAFT mass production mobile suit. But the terminal stole the blueprint before the production begins. Most people misdoubt about it and consider the model kit manual book as a non-canon. But thx for your answer anyway. Is there any other more reliable source about the 00 Qan[T]'s capability to eliminate the whole ELS force by it self? Thx again... Pronunciation 14:19, September 28, 2011 (UTC)

From what I remember, 00V Battlefield Record also points to it. It would defeat the whole ELS within a week, a time they clearly don't have in the movie. --Bronx01 (talk|contribs) 14:51, September 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * Wasn't that the 00 Qan[T] Full Saber ? HPZ - O.N.E. 15:51, September 28, 2011 (UTC)

First of all, I should reiterate again that I love this type of discussions so people with potential question, ask away! The more the better! ^_^

Now, regarding the line you quoted, it directly comes from the MG 00 Qan(T) manual I believe. Almost word for word if I'm not mistaken. Also, I would have to heavily disagree with you that model booklets are not so canon, they're one of the most consistant sources of technical info out there, at least within the 00 series they have a great track record of it. They're far more consistant than any of the sourcebooks, which might change things from one edition to the other (2nd Mechanics book for example, was a clusterfuck of retcons and contradictions). So its a trustworthy source. To reiterate the official Sunrise stance, only animated stuff are "official (the japanese has no word for canon) or under the so called white category while text sources and sidestories are in the lesser "grey" category while stuff like video games are black. Contradictions do occasionally happen in text sources though but in the 00 series, most of them happen outside model booklets, usually in sidestories and sourcebooks. 

But having said that, the manual's brief statement does not tell the whole story. 00V Senki Chapter 10 "Full Saber" elaborates on the line more. In the chapter, it was stated that 00 Qan(T) Full Saber does possess the ability to eliminate the ELS by itself if Setsuna wanted to and Veda's calculation indicated that it would have taken a week if I'm not mistaken. However, the chapter also goes to elaborate that the Veda's model does not take into account two factors which are a)fatigue of the pilot and b)the ELS's recovery ability. So even that one week conclusion is without some very important factors. What it does do is that it suggeste that Qan(T) can in theory do the deed, but it would be far harder and possibly humanly impossible if we take into account fatigue and the ELS's recovery rate. But at the same time, for it to even be remotely powerful shows just how powerful the Qan(T) really is.

Now, some might say that "its Full Saber not the original Qan(T)" but its important to remember that the Full Saber equipment actually consists of all of normal movie Qan(T) equipment plus the GN Sword IV, so its actually a more heavily armed 00 Qan(T).

To give you an idea of how powerful Qan(T) is, one just needs to take a look at the Raiser Sword-like attack and compare it 00 Raiser's. Its far larger in size. Then one also needs to take a look at the many stuff Qan(T) did. It was able to do that super large sword, it immediately went to the center and used Quantum Burst, and not long after that it exited and quantum teleported somewhere else. The first two are for sure very particle incentive systems (the last may or may not be but I'm going to put my money on yes too) and Qan(T) did them within a short span of each other. If we were to compare this to say 00 Raiser, it used the weaker Trans-Am Burst in episode 24, but in the next episode's battle even after Setsuna got off and had a chat with Tieria, the Drives's output rate has not been recharged to full capacity yet, as seen in the brief glimpse of the UI.

More importantly, one of the reasons we did not see Qan(T) do more things is because Setsuna specifically did not want to. To quote him, he said that he did not come there to fight. Aside from some beam shots for protection, the only thing mainly did is the Raiser Sword and even then he likely did not put full power into it because he was saving some juice left for the Quantum Burst later (and we know he went full power for that, because of Tieria's suggestion). If Setsuna was out there for blood like his old self, then he likely had no problems unleashing Qan(T)like an attack dog on the ELS.

So in the end, I'm concluding that Qan(T) is very very powerful but it likely cannot take on the ELS by himself if one takes account the extra factors that Veda omitted in its model, but it can still theretically do it. Its not as powerful as the simple statement suggests, but its still bloody powerful. The MG isn't wrong, but the the statement needed more elaboration which gives us a better judge of value of what the statement meant, which is given by the 00V Senki Chapter 10. For the record, communicating was still the best choice because there was no way Setsuna could have save all those humans life if he took two weeks to beat the ELS, and the ESF army were not that effective on their own because of their disarmament procedure prior to the movie. -SuperSonicSP 00:39, September 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thx again for your expand and intent explanation. Now I'm glad that there are more evidences other than the model kit manual book. Honestly, I'm very (not just a bit) disappointed with 00 Qan[T]'s appearance in combat, and be curious when I read the statement about its capability to defeat the ELS army alone. Some other mobile suits from other series (or even Exia and 00 Raiser) have a much better exhibition in combat according to me. The quantum sword(?) looks simple to me compared to moonlight butterfly or twin satellite cannon. Too bad that Setsuna use the 00 Qan[T] more in diplomatic way rather than as a gear of war. I was expecting an awesome performance with a heroic background music during 00 Qan[T]'s appearance at the first time I watch the movie. I hope that it will appear with its full potential/true strength in the next ACE or Super Robot Taisen series as its performance in SD Gundam G Generation World and Gundam Memories: Tatakai no Kioku is just so-so, just like in the movie.


 * And about the model kit manual book, serious, I've heard that many people questioned its validity. Some sources say that the history in Master Grade manual book has a different story with the High Grade's even for the same model. But it was a long time ago since I heard it (before the release date of 00 TV series). Don't know if Bandai has fix its inconsistency in 00 model kit lines. I'm a MG series collector, so I have quite a lot of the booklets, but too bad that I can't read them so I can't check them myself.


 * Well, thx a lot again for your willingness to clarify the true potential of 00 Qan[T] for me. Now I know that it was called as the ultimate Gundam or lord of all Gundam not for no reason. I'm just a model kit collector & a game freak. I don't really mastered the Gundam universe it self. Okay then, just prepare for another question(s). I'd be happier, if you are willing to be asked about non 00 universe, specially in the most perplexing one, the UC universe... Pronunciation 10:03, September 29, 2011 (UTC)

The UC universe is easier to do, since 99% of the suits from that timeline run on Minovsky Fusion Reactors. On a side note to the Qan[T], it also shows how far Setsuna's come from believing that all he could do (or knew how to do) was fight and kill. Gaeaman 788 is an able administrator 10:13, September 29, 2011 (UTC)

My line of expertise does not extend to the UC universe though, so you'll have to ask questions on a member that is more knowledgable. Having said that, most users have marked my talk page so your free to post it here if you just want an open space for some question takers.

I agree with you about Qan(T) being disappointing combat wise, especially as a big fan of all the ass kicking 00 Raiser did in S2 and I liked Qan(T)'s weapon structure. But at the same time, it represents nicely how far Setsuna has come in his view on warfare and at the same time it's a good director's decision as pain as for me to say it. I guess Setsuna throwing his sword away at the end of the movie before quantum teleporting is the ultimate gesture of this. I wish though that they place an extra minute or two of Qan(T) blow more things up with the rifle or even with the buster sword just in the name of defense. And the Quantum System in some sense is the "ultimate weapon" in the "ultimate event of the series" which is the "Dialogues To Come" that have been mentioned so many times in S2. It's Aeolia's ultimate gift for helping in humans vs human conflict as well as helping communicating with alien cultures. -SuperSonicSP 15:17, September 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * Aside from 00 Qan[T] matter, yup I agree, I like the change of Setsuna's character in his last battle somehow. It shows that he is more "human" than the previous Gundam hero, Kira Yamato, who I admire at the first, but becomes rather annoying over the story due to his "always right, never wrong" nature and deeds as well as his beyond godlike skill in combat. Is he somekind of the second coming of the Messiah or something? Setsuna is a more precise representative of human nature in general according to me... Pronunciation 03:06, October 1, 2011 (UTC)

Main Page
Sonic, can you change/edit the contents of Media Wiki:Mainpage to "The Gundam Wiki"? Thanks --Bronx01 (talk|contribs) 22:18, October 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * Eh, I'm confused, what exactly is it you want me to do? What happened here anyways? -SuperSonicSP 22:19, October 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * I am trying to rename the Main Page, but after I did, it got squished when viewing for New Look. The only way to fix it now is to edit the contents of Media Wiki:Mainpage. But I couldn't edit it since I am not an admin. Just change the content (Not rename) from "Main page" to "The Gundam Wiki". --Bronx01 (talk|contribs) 22:23, October 4, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, I just did, but it didnt seem to do anything. Did it work? -SuperSonicSP 22:25, October 4, 2011 (UTC)

It worked fine. Thank you very much :) --Bronx01 (talk|contribs) 22:27, October 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * Glad I could help. -SuperSonicSP 22:28, October 4, 2011 (UTC)

History
Who's we?Outrider07 05:02, October 5, 2011 (UTC)Outrider07

If your referring to the simplification of history by linking to the character pages things, most of the regular users here. At least for the 00 pages, its something we've been doing for a long time. We used to have separate histories for the characters and the character's mobile suits but we simplified it by just linking the suit to the character pages since the in depth explanation of events was already covered there anyways. Wasn't really sure who started it and I wasn't really involved much with the actual simplification very much, but I'm essentially enforcing the current policy of keeping it that way. You could essentially see it at most of the normal versions of the main character 00 anime Gundams, if not all. Regular mass produced mobile suits don't have that though because they're usually not tied to a single particular character. -SuperSonicSP 05:35, October 5, 2011 (UTC)

Yup, I think Taikage started that a loong time ago with Exia's page. It's just taken time to spread around to the others. Just makes the page more streamlined I guessGaeaman 788 is an able administrator 09:29, October 5, 2011 (UTC)

A Wakening of Trailblazer Comic
Hello, I recently read the awakening of trailblazer manga. Is it recognized as a source that can be trusted? Is it considered as a white, grey or black source? You should know why I'm asking this. The ending is tremendously shocking!!! I could not calm down after reading it... Pronunciation 12:25, October 7, 2011 (UTC)

Animation productions are more trusted than mangas. The movie comic has a bunch of changes from the actual movie. Also, I think we should like put a list of the changes in the comic's trivia sections.Gaeaman 788 is an able administrator 12:30, October 7, 2011 (UTC)

In other words, it's not entirely "true", right? Ok, now Im glad. The comic is like a decline in the quality of the story for me... Pronunciation 12:36, October 7, 2011 (UTC)

The comic isn't counted in the AD timeline. Some of the changes from the movie were odd, like replacing the flag with a cloaked 00 Raiser GN Condenser Type, and apparently Graham dies differently.Gaeaman 788 is an able administrator 13:50, October 7, 2011 (UTC)

Why Didnt ELS GNX IV, ELS Baikal Class, ELS 00 Raiser, ELS Arios Ascalon performed quantum teleportation during the ELS conflict?
hi, i was wondering, in the quantum teleport system article, ELS is said to have the ability to quantum teleport, with a citation leading to gundam 00 N chapter 16. but why didnt the els probes and assimilated machines or warships used the quantum teleportation ability during the els fight? thank you. The quantum pacifier 17:03, October 7, 2011 (UTC)

ok, thx for replying on my talk page, appreciated that, it's not confusing at all dont worry, it's very directional. thank you : ) The quantum pacifier 12:22, October 8, 2011 (UTC)

Can 00 Q perform short spatial teleportation like 00 R ??
hi sonic, i was chatting with one of my fb friends and this is what he said:

"00R quantization is triggered by trans-am + twindrive, therefore, the same can be applied to 00Q who possess the same thing as 00R. Plus 00Q drive and twin drive are improvement over the original which the end result is that it can do FTL(Quantum teleportation without trans-am as stated in Gundam wikia). Here is the statement (00 Raiser's successor, the GNT-0000 00 Qan(T) possesses the ability to quantum teleport, but unlike 00 Raiser which uses it to move medium range distances in battles, the 00 Qan(T) can use it to travel extremely great distances in deep space) - It clearly means that 00Q can teleport without trans-am with its sword bit while in trans-am mode, can teleport as well without sword bit during critical moment just like 00R."

so my question is, can 00 Q perform any short spatial teleportation like 00 R? and sonic, i really need an extremely long feedback of yours on this, though i'm sorry to trouble you.. and thank you very much The quantum pacifier 06:06, October 15, 2011 (UTC)

Semi-Long Term Hiatus
Hey SonicSP. Even though I've been editing less than before, I'll be finishing a few more pages before a very long term dormancy. I'll be still around, but I'll be only visiting once in a while to check in for msgs and anything that needs to be done. You're one of the ones I trust the most and I wanted you to help me to reform the AD/00 pages, mainly the MS pages. So much grammatical issues still exist and a lot of descriptions are poorly done. You've seen my work and I do my best to give the page a good description. If you have time, please help out. Thanks for being a source out there man. Please inform if there's something good.

Oh by the way, are you as disgusted as I am in the new Age series? I can't believe they once again recycled the origins story. When SEED did it, it had some originality, this time, it's just plain awful boring. What do you think though? Taikage - Admin 08:50, October 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * Alright man. Good luck with your dormancy, I know you have some real life issues to take care off. My editing has been less as well because I've been a bit busy.


 * I personally like AGE at the moment. I don't think it's very original yet, but I look at the generation concept and I fond it very interesting. The UE are quite interesting as well in the sense that they're not really an enemy generated from political distinction like MSG and Seed. In some sense, it's a bit of a spritual successor to 00 Post S2 minus the ELS because that world relinquished all of it's MS weapons as well and become a peaceful civilisation. The AGE world is a peaceful one prior to the UE attack 14 years ago and after that attack they had to convert some of their Desperados into Genoaces.


 * Whether I will love the final product will remain to be seen but I do see a lot of potential in AGE at this point in time. Episode 1 was just average but 2 was really fun in my opinion especially now that we may have a gimpse into a Newtype of the series and the Zedas would be making it's first appearance next episode.


 * For the moment, I'm keeping up with most of the information of AGE and I guess I'll update the AGE mecha pages as I get more info on them. I just wish they release more mech background info on the mech technology though. The HG 1/144 manuals have been relatively disappointing compared to 00's HG 1/144 manuals. -SuperSonicSP 17:08, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Seriously!? As soon as I realized it's another repeated origins tale I got very turned off. I know what you're saying though, there's a lot of promise in the show, but I'm not impressed yet. I'll probably catch it when the series ends so I can just watch the whole thing in one shot. Taikage - Admin 04:00, October 24, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it might pick up or it might not. I don't like the origins things either but I reckon its to relate it to being a Gundam series, since a lot of people pre-release seems to be worried about it being a non-Gundam like show because of the art designs, which so far I personally believe to be wrong. I do hope for it to brach out into more original territory though.


 * The escape colony part seems to be over though, so we'll have to see where it goes. Its kinda have growned on me for some reason and we already have some strange behavioural patterns from the UE. We'll have to see where the storyline goes after this. The first episode seems quite bland in my opinion but the second and third have been good. and I'm curious to see how the generation thing is played out especially since the OP statement keeps repeating its going to be a conflict that lasts a hundred years. Of course, I've said to myself that if the storyline does eventually tank, I'll be in it for the mecha designs which I'm loving so far. Ebikawa who designed Exia, 00, Qan(T) and GN-X is part of the mecha designers.


 * There's nothing wrong with waiting until it finishes and watching it in one shot though, waiting every week is a pain. I'm feeling it. Don't worry about the Wikia, we can take care of it. Do drop by and say hi when you're able to though. -SuperSonicSP 07:28, October 24, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Zedas Pilot
I see your point, sorry if I jumped the gun there. --Zeikfried 21:29, November 1, 2011 (UTC)

AGE Time Skip
Hi Sonic I wanted to ask you something about the main protagonist of Gundam Age. They say their are three of them but do you know if they each get a season or is their going to be a time skip?Chriseasley 21:48, November 1, 2011 (UTC)

They have not said anything but I'm pretty sure they will get a timeskip within the current series. I hardly doubt they're going to get their own season. -SuperSonicSP 00:09, November 2, 2011 (UTC)

Which ones more superior?
hey sonic, since Gadessa, Garazzo and Gaddess put up some damn good fights agaisnt CB 3.5th generation gundams, can the Three of them defeat another Three GN X-IVs? since GN X-IVs are considered even more powerful than 3.5th gen cb gundams, what is your point of view in this? i need a l.a.a.u from you :) thx! The quantum pacifier 06:18, November 4, 2011 (UTC)

btw, please exclude pilot factors :) and l.a.a.u simply means long answer as usual. haha, thx sonic. The quantum pacifier 06:25, November 4, 2011 (UTC)

Can't resist to butt in. But you can't remove pilot factor here, as Fon Spaak single handly kill three Garazzo using replica of his old 2nd gen Gundam. Proving that the gap between machine isn't that large. Kuruni 09:16, November 4, 2011 (UTC)

Kuruni, i'm only asking about which one is better in terms of their tech and combat characteristics. it's only on the machines, pilot factor is too influential when we're only speculating on the machines. The quantum pacifier 12:12, November 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, I'm sorry it took awhile to respond but I've been busy lately and I did not want to take the quick route and gave a half hearted response. As usual, get ready for a long winded post but I'll be addressing about some other issues that are not in-universe related.


 * First of all, its important to note some possible inconsistencies of machine depiction on the media they're depicted in. Kuruni mentioned the three Garazzos, which I think is a good comparison point because they are some of the more advanced suits out there that are slightly more advanced than CB's 3.5 Generation. In the anime, more often than not the Gadessa Series(the actual name of the series of Gadessa, Garazzo, Gadess and Gaga because they are all variants of the Gadessa. I would mainly be using this to refer to the Gadessa, Garazzo and Gadess as a whole) have a decent time fighting machines like CB's 3.5 and even 00 Raiser yet in some of the sidestories they can fall quite easily. I recall one time Fon beat a Garazzo using one shot from a beam rifle in 00I (the only way I can rationalize it is because of its close range), while he had a much harder time fighting GN-XIIs (who are supposedly weaker than the Gadessa series) in 00F using the Astraea F2 (who is mech wise stronger than then Tau basic Astraea F, not even counting the fact it has an Original Drive AND Trans-Am in it). You also saw 1 Gundam block a shot from the superlaser Memento Mori using its GN Feather-like particle emissions I believe.


 * This problem arises mainly from 00I wanting to keep the invincibility aura of Fon while at the same time continuing tha advertising of the basic Astraea Type F (who's kit was about to come out). Personally, I don't hold the depictions of 00I in that much high regard because Fon more often that not defeats things rather easily with a few shots sometimes. I have no problem with Fon defeating things since he's supposed to be extremely skilled but the depiction seems a bit unreal and inconsistant and its not like 00 Raiser who can get away with it on the virtue of having a Twin Drive System that's exponentially stronger than anything else and even it gets in a lot of trouble. Its not the anime has zero battle consistency problems, but in general they don't stand out as much.


 * Having said that, there was one depiction of Astraea F defeating Garazzo and Gadessa that I loved and it came from 00P Special Edition. A trancript of the battle is here . In this one, you could see a bit more skill on the depiction but more importantly I guess the weapons used to damage the Gadessa Series suits are also quite new rather than say just using the good old outdated GN Beam Rifle, because the GN Hammer is a new weapon and is likely of the recent generation's level and so is the NGN Launcher.


 * Anyways, next I'll get on what I mostly think on the power ratings. I am of the believer that skill and luck can play a big role in how battles goes, even at a disadvantage. Taking into account pilot ability, Fon might have a chance against the GN-XIVs especially if he's so much better than the other guy although I have a feeling its going to be a hard battle even for him because the GN-XIV is already stronger than a 3.5 Gundam. It would also have to depend on what weapons the GN-XIV is using and the GN-XIV have several setups as we know. The Tau Astraea F by contrasts brings ALL of its at once. What helps the Tau Astraea F(also known as the Astraea Type F Heavy Weapons Type according to 00V Gundam Weapons chart) is the fact that it does have the GN Hammer and NGN Bazooka with it, which are so called more newer and less outdated weapons. What makes the power rating of the basic Astraea F so hard to judge is upgrade level from the white Astraea to the red Astraea Type F. You see, not much have been mentioned about the upgrade level of it, so it means either it got a significant upgrade or it did not. Why this can be a bit confusing is mostly because of Sadalsuud Type F. You see the first Sadalsuud had a very weak and light sucky armor (because stronger armor would interfere with its sensors, which is what it mainly the testbed for) and had a very sucky gun, so in the Type F upgrade in order to cover these weaknesses covered they manage to engineer it with good armor as well as giving it Dynames' Sniper Rifle and made it a much more formidable suit. The problem with Astraea F is that if it did receive any increase in performance from normal to F, its not obvious or mentioned. Infact, 00P Special Edition went out of its way and mentioned that the Tau Astraea F was an exact replica of the Astraea F which at its base a weaker suit than the Astraea F2. This makes predicting the power rating a bit hard because it might either have the "base" performance very close a 15 years pre-S1 suit or one that has a few years lesser than S1. Did it get the Composite Armor upgrade and questions like that are some of the things that remain unknown.


 * But I guess I've been winding it a bit too long. Personally though, pilot wise I guess even a very outdated pilot suit get beat a more newer suit given the right skills, circumstances and luck and maybe a new equipment or two. But if we were to look on it purely on a mechanical basis, I don't see why the Tau Astraea F will be better than the GN-XIV. The GN-XIV is far newer, been stated to be even stronger than a 3.5 Gundam despite being a Mass Production unit. The GN Hammer and NGN Bazooka shakes it up a bit and gives the Astraea F a better chance than the base stats would really give it but at the end of the day the tech gap is just too large for the Tau Astraea F to win discounting one pilot being much better than the other. And the most important factor? Trans-Am. The GN-XIV actually has it but to our knowledge the Tau Astraea Type F does not, during 00I and 00PSE the Tau Drive Trans-Am is not the norm yet while during the time of the GN-XIV it was. The GN-XIV in general also quite an impressive equipment set, it can generate an almost full GN Field if it has two of those shield and it has long range capability with the Long Rifle and the Buster Sword for melee. The only situations where the Astraea Type F can have a decent win if it goes on againts a GN-XIV that only has the Long Range Rifle that happens to be caught on short range, because the Astraea's GN Hammer might be a potential damage potential here, but in other cases with pilot being equal I have to give the average winner to the GN-XIV for a few factors including Trans-Am. What I meant by average winner is that if we were to conduct the experiment many many times with many different equipment sets for the GN-XIV, the GN-XIV would still come out as the winner on average more than the Astraea F. If we were to imagine it in terms of a console RPG taking out pilot factors that make battles a wildcard, the GN-XIV just has better stats than the Astraea F on average and can be considered to have a higher "level" so to speak -SuperSonicSP 05:32, November 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm an idiot, I misread the question and went on to write a long essay on it. lol Oh well. I say its possible for the Gadessa Series to beat three GN-XIVs. The tech gap is not that large and to my knowledge, the three of them are already slightly more advanced than a 3.5 Gundam. This one is harder to predict though, because the performance are quite close. It would depend mainly on the equipment set that the three GN-XIVs are using because while the Gadessa Series's abilities are standard, the GN-XIV varies by what equipment it chooses to equip. This is battle involves more strategy than anything to determine the winner because the performances of both series are supposedly quite close. The GN-XIV are advanced but they're still mass production suits so evne though the end result is stronger than a 3.5 Generation the fact that they came later than the Gadessa Series is likely offset a bit by the fact that they are designed for wider production. For the record, the GN-XIV also adopted a lot of technology from the Gadessa Series. this might be disappointing but in my opinion I expect on average the win ratios of both parties to be about equal if pilot factor are discounted for reasons I mentioned on the last sentence. The results might change a bit if you change the variable factor which would likely be equipment set of the GN-XIV. I would say the GN-XIV team would need at least one Buster Sword unit to do well mainly to counteract Garazzo's melee ability, a long rifle unit to counteract Gadessa and short rifle unit to counteract Gadess (because the higher firing rate would be more useful for fighting againts Fangs).


 * If you were under the impression that the Gadessa Series are the underdogs, I will have to disagree. I cannot remember where its stated exactly (Ribbons boast about in the anime once; Divine boasts a bit about it as well while battling Seravee; not the most non bias sources but still) but they were already slightly stronger than the 3.5 in the anime and the Gadessa Series just gives off that advanced feeling slightly more. The GN-XIV statement of being stronger than the 3.5 is also a bit different than it sounds because I believe the official site profile mentions its exactly as strong as a Gundam (doesnt mention which Gundam) while one test pilot from 00N made the statement that it is actually stronger than one (we can assume its the 3.5 because they have not seen the 5th Gen at this point and comparing it to that) Their perceived performance in the movie also suggests that its not that much stronger than a 3.5 and they certainly not as strong as the 5th. This is why I came to the conclusion that their performance should be around equal and discounting pilot inequality factors, their average win rates of both teams in this experiment should vary around that mechanical performance as well with the variable factor being the equipment set of the three members GN-XIV. Hopefully, this satisfy your query. -SuperSonicSP 06:10, November 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * so you have come to a conclusion that GN-XIV is about the same with the 3.5th gen gundams and the GNZ series is more powerful than the 3.5 th gen gundams? so the GNZ series is more powerful than the GNX-IVs? why is it the gnz series are slightly more powerful than the 3.5th gen gundams? do you have any proves on that? thx The quantum pacifier 07:49, November 7, 2011 (UTC)

The GN-XIV is more versatile in terms of armements than the GNZs are. I would say that a GNZ vs a GN-XIV would be about equal. Also, I'm not sure if 00N took into account the GNHW eqipment for the 3.5 generation GundamsGaeaman 788 is an able administrator 20:42, November 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * @quantum Actually, I came to the conclusion that they are stronger than the 3.5 but around equal to the GNZs. -SuperSonicSP 09:24, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

why is it the GNZ series are slightly more powerful than the 3.5th gen gundams?
lol, first of all i would like to correct you, you're not an idiot, you're just passionate, i enjoyed reading about your answer to "Fon vs 3 Garazzos.". second i would like to thank you for your comprehensive reply. :)

so uhm, why is it you said that the GNZs are slightly more powerful than the 3.5 th gen gundams? could you explain more on that?The quantum pacifier 07:25, November 7, 2011 (UTC)

The GNZ's where all made by the Innovators who had more advanced MS tech, plus the GNZ's all had a interface system that link to veda so it would give them update info so the Innovades communicate, delegate commands, and change tactics when needed.Chriseasley 18:45, November 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * Aside from Ribbons' very likely bias bragging in Episode 9 of S2 to another Innovade (I forgot who, maybe Regene?) that the Gadessa's output is higher than the 00's (even if he's wrong about 00's potential, 00 Gundam up till that point should at least roughly be as strong as a 3.5), no sources "directly" says it but you can sort of infer it. One of the issues of Great Mechanics DX a long time ago while S2 was airing gave power ratings between the 3rd Gen, Ahead, and 3.5. It says that if we were to take that the 3rd Gens were 100, then the 3.5 will be around 150 and the Aheads will be around 140. Now, we can infer that the Gadessa Series are much stronger than the Ahead, so we can also infer that the chances of it being higher than the 3.5 who only differ by around 10 points than the Ahead should be quite decent. Aside from this, we also have the perceived technological prowess of Innovator faction. One good reference point I know would be Reborns. The 00.net Reborns Gundam MS profile mentions that as far mobile suit technology goes, Reborns actually surpasses 00 Raiser (it also mentioned something like Reborns is the most advanced MS period up to that point) and if we were to take these two as the powerful Twin Drive "flagships" (00 Raiser for the CB's 3.5 and Reborns for the Gadessa Series) then we can use this to infer the technological prowess of the Gadessa Series to be more advanced than the CB's 3.5 Gundams as well. This is not to say that the Gadessa Series is so far more advanced because the 3.5s can put up a decent fight against them but maybe only advanced up to a certain level.


 * There's also the GN-XIV to consider. I believe some sources that I am too lazy to remember (I won't be surprised if they're cited in the article though) at the moment have mentioned that the GN-XIVs adopted Gadessa Series technology. We now know that the GN-XIVs are stronger than the 3.5 according to Mr. Random Test Pilot, so we can infer the advancement of this mass production roles to the integration of the Gadessa Series technology that propels the GN-X series even further than a single 3.5 Gundam, so it does suggest that the Gadessa Series MS frame wise has a lot of good stuff in it. In fact, according to MG 00 Qan(T), even 00 Qan(T) profited a bit from the Gadessa Series as some of Qan(T)'s limbs parts uses a bit of Gadessa Series mechanical designs in it. This also suggests that between CB's previous frame designs and their then Movie, they were still some things they can add from their S2 designs from the Gadessa Series to further their performance; at least we know 00 Qan(T) to have taken a bit.


 * @chriseasley I believe at this point we still don't know what Veda Backup actually does; on whether it gives the pilot some good data and stuff to improve performance or whether it directly improves the performance of the machine directly increasing performance through direct linking (IE some sort of direct AI assist to improve piloting). We know from what we were told in Season 1 Episode 21, Season 2 episode 14 and Season 2 Episode 25 as well as Final Mechanics's remarks on the GN-XIV that it directly improves performance when the Backup is used, but the actual way it improves performance is still not known. Personally, I put my money and "believe" on direct AI assisting from Veda but there is not much evidence to directly make that a fact. SuperSonicSP 09:30, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

how to differentiate generations of gundams in 00?
btw sonic, how do you differentiate generations of gundams? is there a reason for exia, kyrios, dynames and virtues are 3rd gen? same goes to the 3.5th... how come a '0.5th gen' is added onto the 3rd? is there some sort of minor upgrades on them?

and the biggest question is, are all twin drive gundams considered 4th gen gundams? then why harute, raphael and zabanya skipped over the 4th and go straight into the 5th gen? and what of 00 qant? what is the requirement to be classified as the 3rd, 3.5th, 4th and 5th gen gundams?? this has bugged me for a while now.. thx The quantum pacifier 07:37, November 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well yeah you and me both my friend. You and me both. :(


 * I'm not sure when you entered the 00 fanbase so you may have lived through it too but I'll just indulge you on the real world history because I think its an interesting story. Now back when S2 was airing, there was this debate I called the "Generation Debate" in which case we don't know which S2 Gundams belonged to what generation. The problem arises because of a few things and some of us mecha enthusiasts in the community caught up into it. The thing is, 00 Gundam's first model kit manual the "HG 1/144 GN-0000 00 Gundam" directly mentions that 00 Gundam is "CB's premier 4th Generation Gundam". The thing is, none of the manuals go ahead and describe the generations of the other three Gundams so the debate arises from this. Now, we know there's an obvious difference between 00 Gundam and the "others" this ranges from the designations numbers (00 uses GN-0000 a special one while the other three continue on from GN-006) as well as the more obvious Twin Drive System and power it grants. The opinions were mainly divided between those who think the other three were "3rd Generation" and those who think they were "4th Generation". Then at some point after S2 finished airing, a book called "2307-2312 Mission Complete" was released and sort of solves the issue. You can look it up here  and read my first post on the topic and you will have a clue on the the book. The scan is even there right beside it. It essentially assigns Cherudim the 4th Generation title, and you can imagine it likely applies to the other three as well.


 * Some time later, a book called "Gundam 00 2nd Mechanics" was out and redefines the generation. Now it clearly labels the other three as "3.5 Generation", in other words it retcons the previous information. In the link to the Anno Domini Mobile Weapons talk page you can even me mention the retcon in my second post in the "Fourth Generation Issue" topic when the book came out. More recently, the Final Mechanics book was released earlier this year and labels all three of Celestial Being's movie Gundam's 5th Generation (00 Qan(T), Zabanya and Harute). The other three S2 Gundams are still 3.5 but they are graphically depicted in the chart interestingly. Maybe I'll talk a bit about it later but I'll need a scan of the Final Mechanics chart to portray my speculation more clearly.


 * Anyways, I've come out with a lot of speculations over the years in regards to CB's Generations. ALOT. I'm still consumed by it but I feel a bit tired because I've put up much effort into it. Quite frankly, I am a bit disappointed they have not elaborated much on it themselves because the generation designation can be confusing. The only think we know for sure is that its a progressive designation, meaning that it moves forward up a number but what defines how much that number why it is is hard to explain.


 * I'm going to speculate the 3.5 but for me to do this I have to first disregard the 5th Generations exists for awhile because in my opinion, the 5th Generation label can be quite confusing and throws off things a bit.


 * First of all, I think the 3.5 and 4th Generations were made to denote progress on MS tech in general, which is obvious but made in a way that the digit progression may not be denoting a specific amount of power, only whether something is more advanced and stronger than something else. In this sense, you can look at the 3.5 as a way to denote that its "next gen" but not THE "next gen". Kind of like a special designation to denote that its the next progression. CB might have wanted to show that the other three have progression but its not as big as the 00. If they want keep only using digits like they have they can either denote this in two ways, they can use 4th Gen on the other three and give 00 a higher one or they can give 00 the 4th Generation label (4 is the obvious progression from 3, so I assume it always sounds good and special) and give the other three something lower than 4th. As you can see they used the latter.


 * What makes 5th Generation so confusing is that it appears to violate the differentials between Twin Drive and non Twin Drive Gundams in the 3.5 and 4th Generations. For the record, Twin Drive are not only far more advanced because of its powerplant but also because of its frame as well. 00 Gundam portrayed in 00V Senki remained powerful even without its Twin Drive in Senki and its lack of Twin Drive just gives it an extremely short particle expansion/time limit. This suggests that its not merely putting a Twin Drive in there that makes it powerful but rather the Twin Drive just facilitates the power requirements to decently power a mobile suit designed with 00's power output ratio. What I'm saying in the last sentence is that designing a high particle consumption suit like 00 is impractical without giving it a high powered powerplant system like the Twin Drive, because otherwise it would run out of particles too fast to be practical in most battles where anything can happen. There is a clear contrast between the power ratings and technological levels between a Twin Drive Suit and a non Twin Drive of the same "series" so to speak like 00 Gundam and the other S2 Gundams and this is reflected in S2's 3.5 and 4th Generation numbers but 5th just gathers them all under the same 5th Generation label. This in my opinion violates the spirit of the prior generation which is not retconned, they're still listed as 3.5/4th Generation as they were in the chart where 5th are revealed. The worst part is, the technological and performance gap between Qan(T) and the other Gundams have widened not reduced. We know this because an interview in Mizushima (we have a cite and link for that in some of the related articles I believe), he mentioned that Za-rute (I'll just use this to refer to Zabanya and Harute together) will only be getting a "version upgrade" of Zabanya and Harute's frame rather the frames being redesigned from the ground up. He goes to mention that this means the technological progression is less than before but this will be made up for with stronger weapons (I think this might be referring to the more "heavier" nature of the suits, they are obviously more heavy weapon types than their base predecessors), but he also goes to mention that 00 Qan(T)'s would be designed from the ground up and the reason why CB held a bit back on Za-rute was so they can focus all their resources and efforts on Qan(T) alone and as we all know from Senki Mission 1 CB was already facing a material and financial shortage after S2. And let's not forget the MG Qan(T) and 00V Senki Mission 14 glorifying that Qan(T) has the potential to defeat the ELS by itself while we know that Zabanya and Harute are essentially overwhelmed and defeated in the movie.


 * You see, I have no problem with 5th if they retconned the 3.5 back into the 4th Generation because that way we can see that all the Gundams within a series can indeed have a vast gap in battle performance and technology; making it more of a "timeline" progression more than anything but they have not done that; at least not in name. At the moment, it feels more like they have different categories and objectives for different Generations. At least they do with 3.5/4th and 5th. Generations 1-3 would make sense either explanation but then again that's before the tech gap for within the Gundams increased since all suits in the same series were the same anyways. For me the only way 5th Generation would make sense if we were to somehow think of 3.5 and 4th Gens as one and the same.


 * And that's exactly what I'm doing now. For me, the only way I can take 5th Gen seriously is if I think of 3.5 and 4th as the same "Generation" so to speak. The way I currently see it, the 3.5 is just a name or subcategory given to non Twin Drive suit within the 4th Generation Series so to speak, and this was a naming subcategory convention that CB decided to discard for the next series for whatever reasons. That's the way I "see" things as they stand. The way the chart from Final Mechanics may actually agree with me too. In Final Mechanics, the 3.5 and 4th Generation Gundams are clustered in the same line at the same height with the whole thing being written as "3.5/4th Generation" whereas in the older book 2nd Mechanics they were classified separately at separate heights with separate names. Now, it might just be a space issue and it might not mean anything but its still something. For me personally, I choose to interpret it as a classification of the 3.5/4th Gens as of the same "class" so to speak, just with a subsection for the 3,5s. I'll try and ask my friend and see whether she has a link to both scans and maybe post it here later.


 * Oh, I forgot to add. Generations in the manner we are speaking of is strictly a Celestial Being thing, it is something they designate and label their suits with but they are not used for other factions at least its not the same way and even if they do they might have their own way of labeling and classifying it. For example, you were asking whether all Twin Drive suits are 4th Gen, yet Reborns would not fall under that category because its not made by Ptolemaios Celestial Being faction. Ptolemaios Celestial Being (or whatever faction that was in charge of the main Gundam development at the time) just puts their Gundams into whatever generation they choose to for whatever reasons. Gundams like Arche and the Thrones don't have a known generation since they are not Ptolemaios suits and only the Ptolemaios Generations have been elaborated in the series. -SuperSonicSP 08:49, November 8, 2011 (UTC)