Talk:GNT-0000 00 Qan［T］

Fanart
Although it might look official, the Image with the name "Quanta Basic Lineart" is not the official look of the Qan(T) but merely a fanart. I put it in the gallery and readded a screenshot of the movie trailer in the infobox. The file was posted in the AnimeSuki forum. Diabound00 18:35, December 14, 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, sorry. Okay then. Simant 20:08, December 14, 2009 (UTC)
 * Can we get a consensus to not put fanart as page images please? This one has been reverted back and forth several times now, and it needs to be made clear to all editors --Balesirion 05:53, December 17, 2009 (UTC)
 * I see nothing wrong with using fanart as long as its accurate and the artist has given permission for its use. Jak Crow 06:42, December 17, 2009 (UTC)
 * In general, I think the fanart gives a better view of what 00 Qan[T] looks like. Even though the shades of color are a bit off (the blue is too light), it seems to follow the movie screenshot almost perfectly, so I would say, if there is fanart for ONLY the movie Gundams, then put them as the main infobox picture as long as they are accurate to the movie screenshotGaeaman788 07:23, December 17, 2009 (UTC)
 * I seriously object to the use fanart.Our job here is to be as accurate as possible to the true source,even if we don't always do that job well.The least we could do is get a picture right.
 * I mean Wikias already have a bad reputation of being inaccurate,its not something that can be helped easily,we're all human afterall.But I feel that at least.......at the very least.......we can get .......the right.......official..........image.
 * For the record,its very nice art and I like it even more than the official one but the problem is,that its not official.I don't mind it being in the galleries and labbeled as fanart,but in the main article image?That's seriously misleading.The fanart was released before anybody even knows how Qan[t]'s rear looked like,which was done in the last 24 hours or so.


 * Besides,we just got a new lineart recently that shows us the whole suit.Its black and white and maybe not as fancy or pretty,but its probably more reliable.


 * Just compare the recent released one and the fanart,they are differences.Call them minor if you want,but the point here is that we're dealing with a media that's unreleased.Going with fanarts is dangerous and does not help our credibility either.


 * In summary,we already have a lineart that is official and would be true to the official product.So why in the world then are we using a fanart?This isnt an anime released 1 or 2 years ago that we're all familiar with of,this is an upcoming product.Its better to stick to official material.In other words,accuracy over fanciness.We'll get better and official pictures later.


 * I don't like the CG pictures that we keep using either;not as main articles pictures anyways but the Ms in those are of media that's already out for a long time and people have seen those a 100 times,so I can live with it even if I disagree with that policy.00 Qan[t] was only seen once in a scene that lasted no more than 7 seconds.


 * I vote for removing it as the main image of the article.I just cannot accept using a fanart for something that's still in developement.Even if that fanart is very awesome looking.-SonicSP 18:36, December 19, 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree with SonicSP. We should remove the fanart and, at least for now, stick with the screenshots or the black-and-white scans. We all should be patient because in a month or so we will have official lineart. Diabound00 19:51, December 19, 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree with you Diabound00 and SonicSP. Yes, I did say that the fanart gives a better representation of what 00 Qan[T] will look like. However, looking at your argument, I do think that the fanart (in terms of the shield) is inaccurate, and that we really shouldn't treat 00 Qan[T] as some special page. Zabanya, Harute, and Raphael all use movie screenshots, so why not 00 Qan[T]? I don't think using the black and white images will do the mobile suit justice. Also, I don't like the usage of the CG art that's in the 00 pages, but they are very nice looking and unless we have a debate about whether or not we should use the anime accurate images, I am also willing to accept the CG art.Gaeaman788 20:10, December 19, 2009 (UTC)

I took the liberty of changing the pics to the recently released lineart ones for 00 Qant and the other 3.I've outlined my objections to the fanart above already.But if you want more reasons,its because not only are the linearts official but they also are more comprehensive,whing us the rear view as well.For people who has not seen the suit before visiting the page it,they can get a good view of the entire suit.And they can guess the colors from the gallery pics. SonicSP 08:41, December 20, 2009 (UTC)
 * Again, as long as fan art is as accurate with current information at the time, there should be nothing wrong with using it. No one has ever said the Qan[t] page is special, there just happened to be an early fan created lineart item. The item in question appears to be amazingly close to the official design (especially just eyeballed from a quick promo video). It wasn't misleading to use it, but if it will make people "feel" better, we can label fan created line art as 'conceptual based on available information'. At this time, if the artist were to revise his lineart to make it accurate to the official design, I would pick it over the current b&w image because it would be cleaner and in color and thus a better presentation.


 * Also, I've never seen anything that says that wikia has a bad reputation, so I don't know where that claim has come from. Jak Crow 16:01, December 21, 2009 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia and Wikias in general have a reputation to being inaccurate or unreliable.We're a good place to learn a series from scratch but not necessarily a good place for a referencing something.It can tbe helped based on the ways wikias work.Its a negative thing,but without this Wikias cant be as opene editing as it so it comes with the territory.SonicSP 15:45, December 27, 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually, that's pure FUD created by politically motivated people guilty of editing politicians' wikipedia entries to smear them. Studies have shown Wikipedia itself is as accurate and contains more information than Britannica. The only people I've ever found to slam a wiki have been found on free republic, where they'll say a wiki page dedicated to the periodic table is "leftist propaganda". Those that say wikis have a bad reputation say so out of self serving reasons and are obviously not the target audience here. Jak Crow 02:42, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

SEII Boklet
http://img63.imageshack.us/i/up420320.jpg/

This image is from the SEII booklet,due to release in a few days time.Anyways,like the last one,it reveals a "bit" mor einfo on the 4 movie Gundams.

Translated by Mike_S_6[ from animesuki forums,who also translate of other sidestory stuff for us,so thank her]:

Raphael 

''It is an MS that is observed to be an evolved form of Seravee Gundam, and is equipped with large weapons. It is entirely wrapped up in many mysteries. ''

Zabaniya 

''An MS developed with the same concept as Cherudim Gundam. It has a system wherein a large amount of arms could be put in the container at the back. ''

Harute 

''Has Arios Gundam's development model, but the transformation mechanism has been changed in a big way. The machine adopts GN Archer's elements. ''

QAN[T] 

''A machine that is an evolved form of Exia and 00. It is installed with the new system that is called "Quantum System". Starting with the sword bits, [okay, not sure with the next phrase, still looking for that cut-off kanji...] it seems to be furnished for a melee soldier.''

The translator is having some trouble reading some parts of the paragraph of 00 Qan[t],because there are some parts that are not clear or are obsucered due to the way the page was scanned.

I decided to included the ones for the other 3 as well,might as well right?Nothing particularly groudnbreaking other than stating what is mostly obvious,but the mention of the Quantum system is interesting.

-SonicSP 18:48, December 19, 2009 (UTC)

More Info from the SEII,this want is from the Prologue To the Movie video,which came with SEII,it featured the director and 2 of the mecha designers:

Translated by Mike_S6:

[PROLOGUE TO THE MOVIE] Movie News Flash Complete Explanation 

At the Expo: • The reaction in the hall ([to the] characters and MS) was happy, the news flash broadcast went well. • They thought that the staff who produced the images that weren’t going to be used in the movie in such a short time were amazing • It wasn’t Mizushima who decided they ought to show the video, it was a suggestion from the staff Mizushima: “Is it alright even though the movie designs haven’t been fixed?” Staff: “You/We should do it.” They* were very grateful for that attitude. {idk who the subject of this is or what exactly the poster means, my apologies} 

The design changes after the news flash was shown to the public–>present changes • The armament pattern[s] is/are still changing • The Expo news flash was a really early draft (proposal stage [designs]), but you couldn’t say that the impression of the designs has changed a great deal 

Ebikawa’s explanation: • The “Quantum System” (I heard “Quantum” from Ebikawa’s pronunciation) is a function that is tied to a/the main thread of the story (of course in the interview stage, he can’t speak about it at length, lol) • Qan[T] is an MS borne from 00 and Exia’s line • The new weapon is presently called “Sword Bits.” They comprise Sword Bits and hand-held GN swords (is this new too?). There are 7 swords, taking over Exia’s Seven Sword concept. 

Yanase’s Part 

Zabanya • A power-uped form of Cheridum. Since it [Cheridum] was completely destroyed in the TV series, it has the feeling of being rebuilt with the same concept (as Cheridum). • It was created with the suggestion that it should “carry a lot of guns” in mind • There are a lot of weapons in the container on its back • The container was designed to have the feel of wearing a shield. A few heavy weapons were designed. 

Harute • The transformation process evolved [some] from Kyrios to Arios, but because Harute is a zero[-G MS], I started by changing the transformation process • When the mechanical design was ordered, I was told that they[Mizushiima?] wanted weapons from the GN Archer to be incorporated. So it has a tendency toward heavy weaponry, mainly missiles. • The upper body of the MS has strong ties to Kyrios and Arios. The flight mode’s entire image has a different feel from what we’ve seen up until now • If we weren’t doing the movie, I wouldn’t have been able to present this transformation method/style (a calorie-like problem {idk what a “calorie-like problem” is}). Hearing this, Ebikawa, who was sitting next to him [Yanase], unintentionally let out a laugh/smile. 

Raphael • From the beginning the design was always going to be derived from Seravee, but I was told to make it something different when the design was ordered. • In the initial idea, Raphael had hands that could be used as a cannon when brought together. • As a result of trying to make Raphael’s cannon arrangement especially cool, it ended up like this. • Since the news flash version, the color* has completely changed (there are reasons for the change) {*color might not be literally referring to the color scheme–sometimes it’s more like variety/type but there’s 

SonicSP 15:49, December 27, 2009 (UTC)

New Updated 00 Qan[t] Colors
I posted a new pic of 00 Qant,I previously said it was from a new year event in the edit,but the source was actually Newtype January,so sorry about that.

Well,lloks like alot of fanart become obsolete.I think there some physical changes as well.

SonicSP 19:24, December 31, 2009 (UTC)

Twin Drive Confirmed
At yesterday's new years,event there was an event in Japan concerning the movie.A new trailer was shoed there and alot of new info released.

Here's the link to the entire description,translated by Mike S6 from a blog from someone at the event: http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=2847446#post2847446

What I'm posint here is only a small part of the whole thing,but its the only one thats relevant to the Twin drive info.

Scene 4, Saji's VA on stage, then with Tieria's. Then Setsuna's come in and then he goes with Louise's. 

 After the VA's there's Tieria's scene. He talks about 00 Quanta. Then newsflash! Because he said that it is equipped with TD, it seems that Quanta will have it.</b> Then Setsuna's VA with Feldt's VA. Feldt sends Setsuna's QBW info to Ian etc., and Feldt says, "I wonder if this has become a world without strife." I was surprised because with this image, Feldt had short hair! Will she have short hair in the movie? Then Setsuna's VA comes in and talks about Neil, then Graham's VA comes in. They reenact the episode 25 of s1. The audience laughs every time he delivers interesting [or funny] lines. The audience got so excited when the "This is certainly love!" "Love?!" lines were delivered. [ah, and the audience just kept laughing at Grahamshido, must have been fun] Graham said that "I am no longer Bushido, I live as Graham", so he seems to be Graham in the movie. Surprise guest Yuna Ito comes and performs Trust you.

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the bolded statement is describing a section of the trailer.The thing was showed twice,once as fragments at the event[the rest are describing what the VA wer edoing on stage,yeah I loled at Graham's VA too] then one more timeas a Full Trailer,at the end of the vent with all the fragments combined.

Some of you may question the validity of the entire thing,well for the record the same thing was done for the last trailer.The first movie trailer was showed at an event,the Gundam Big Expo,and until it was released months later in Special Edition 1,all we had was descriptions from ppl that were there,and the trailer released matched perfectly with the descriptions that had appeared.So tried and done before.

It will probably be awhile until we get to see it for ourselves though,maybe not until SE III gets released.

They are loads of other info ridden this event has given us,most notably some stuff about Graham being a guest at Ptolemy[literally],as well as Setsuna sortieng in 00 Qan[t] screaming in pain because of a series of events[A Tiera clone appearing in Ptolemy and causing it,as well an attack by a GN Flag that forces him to sotie].

Sigh,I cant handle this,too much info to transcribe in regards to the movie.Even in terms of linking the translations.Sorry guys. SonicSP 10:49, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

So did someone change the coloring of Qan[t] or did an artist F' up in the pamplet? personally i liked the color in the trailer.KuroKirin 02:48 January 3, 2009

Oh they always change things in the production process. Especially when it comes to animation, color schemes are easy to change with computers. Wasabi 04:30, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

Someone Cleanup the Image or Wait!
That recent rough-edit addition made pic of 00 Quan[T] was horrible, we need someone with photoshop skills or simply wait until the official pics are released on the official site. Wasabi 04:30, January 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes. (has not photoshop skill's either) :( Simant 18:37, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

I'm a happy bastard now, the new pics makes a world difference. Wasabi 02:39, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

I made that pic..........-_-*go cries near a corner*[though I admit I have no photoshop skills].The current 00 Qan[t] pic is edited by me as well,though just had the picture split up and erased whats leftover of the other [they used to be one pic].However when I tried to post it after uploading it,the pic wont appear on my computer so I reverted the edit as I feared something was wrong since the pic wont appear.Though somebody did post it into the article later.

This one has 00Q on a white background so no biggie,almost had to do nothingthe other one was hard to take out from.This one is from Newtype February,the previous one from Newtype January.SonicSP 12:31, January 16, 2010 (UTC)

GN Drive on Shield!?
It is just me or i just spotted one of the GN Drive right under the shield? Wasabi 12:53, January 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Its still unconfirmed as to exactly what that orb like thing is...it could either be a GN drive or a GN condensor.
 * Azkaiel 12:59, January 14, 2010 (UTC)

If this is the picture that you are talking about (http://superrobotwar.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/srwhotnews_nt2_00m1.jpg) then it is too small to be a GN Drive, all the more likely it is a GN Condensor. Besides, after what happened when Ribbons cutting off the 0 Gundams GN Drive in the final episode(http://randomc.animeblogger.net:8000/image/Gundam%2000/Gundam%2000%20Second%20Season%20-%2025%20-%20Large%2016.jpg), it would be unwise not to addresss this critical issue. All that is know at this point is that it does have the Twin Drive, a new one thanks to Teria and CB's scientists getting their hands on the Innovators designs. Since the nature of the imporvements made to the GN Drives are unkown, it could be concieved that the they are located in front and behind of each other, one in the chest area above the cockpit like Exia, and the other in the backpack connected to the shield. This is possible, especially when someone looks at the interior of the GN Drive (http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/gundam/images/d/d5/GN-0000_GN_Drive.jpg), notice how most of it was designed for flight? That the GN Furnice and the TD Blanket are disk shaped? If the flight and manuvering abilities are now handled by thrusters in the body and limbs, similar to the improvements to the Exia R2, then they would have no need for the flight or exterior sensor components thus shaving off unneeded parts in order to fit inside the chest, this would confirm a hint made of a new form of GN Drive for the Qan(T). Weather or not this is true, the evidence is there enough to support this theory, and likely is the case as the logical location of the second GN Drive.Totem 00:16, February 1, 2010 (UTC)

The GN-Drives Cones[the ones designed for this anyways] usually handle direct forward thrust,and much less on the anti gravitational mobility functions of the MS,that is handled by the rest of the body somehow.-SonicSP 10:41, February 1, 2010 (UTC)

Prototype?
In the units combat designation, why does it say that it is a prototype? What reference states this? Wouldn't it be the final product after the rough work was done on the 00-Raiser? Especially after the battle with the Reborns Gundam when Celestial Being recovers and repairs 00, modifies it to suit Setsuna's transformation into an Innovator, performed the tests for the GN Blaster (with a GN Condensor inplace of the destroy GN Drive). Wouldn't the GN-0000GNHW/7SG 00 Gundam Seven Sword/G technically be the prototype, not the 00-Qan(T)? I mean, shouldn't the 00-Qan(T) be a full unit? Or is someone just speculating on a units designation or did someone just copy and paste 00 Gundams stats on the 00-Qan(T) page. Totem 23:49, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

Well,its mentioned in the 00 geneology that its developed from the 00 Raiser+GN Sword III,but small issue I guess.Yeah,I'm pretty sure its speculation but this wouldnt exactly be the first time we've put a speculation on the designation type,its been done a lot of times before so I usually don't bother with them too much.However,personally I believe that the basis of calling a prototype would be from the new Quanta System,though I'm not really advocating either for or against the prototype being there,although some of the things implemented in Quanta comes from new released data by Veda;which may include the Quanta System and such.

It would not be the only speculation on the page anyways,they are many more speculation in the article.A bit of an eyesore to me but not much can be done.They'll be updated and corrected when we get the info for them nearer to the movie's release.SonicSP 06:16, January 25, 2010 (UTC)

There's also the issue of whether or not anything is going to happen after the movie. I don't think it's really a prototype per se, it's most likely the pinnacle of CB's MS development. BTW I switched the CGI art for the official lineart. And has anyone noticed how much Qan[T] looks like Reborns Gundam?Gaeaman788 17:37, January 30, 2010 (UTC)

I have also noticed, now with the new colour scheme and redesign. In all likelyhood the reason behind it is because the remains of the Reborns Gundam was one of the spoils of war that Celestial Being made sure to acquire. The trouble it gave 00-Raiser aside, it is also the only other machine with the Twin Drive, and a source of data for Celestial Being's scientists, examining the refinements the Innovators did to the design and develop for the 00-Qan(T) (and to prevent it from falling into enemy hands).Totem 07:30, February 1, 2010 (UTC)

Artist Links
Several uncredited artists works are being used here and no one bothers to link to these artists. Can we please start doing that? Jak Crow 16:17, January 30, 2010 (UTC)

Use Anime Color Version?
Now that we have our final "anime color" lineart that the anime will be using, shouldn't we use that one instead? The designers colors that is currently ARE lighter than the final anime colors,as it has with Exia and 00.-SonicSP 10:32, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

It Should Be "Close Quarters" Only
The description that keeps coming for 00Q keeps mentioning that its very close quarters based. The Special Edition II manual should be one example. Since that seems to be the stated emphasise, it really should be close quarters only. "All Purpose" is very misleading and suggests that it specialised for everything which is possible but I think the armament and the notes speak for itself.-SonicSP 13:27, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

Updates on 00 Qan T
ok, I cleaned the page on 00 Qan T and deleted all the unless info so now I need to get the reference (sources) part done. If anyone can help that would be AWESOME.Shindy00 16:03, May 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * http://www.gundam00.net/ms/index.html
 * It seems the website got updated. Also,00Q's page says this which toysdream from Mechatalk translated:


 * 型式番号の「Ｔ」は、ツイン（ＴＷＩＮ）を意味する. 
 * 純粋種のイノベイターとして覚醒した刹那のために開発された機体. 
 * 搭載された太陽炉は、ツインドライヴシステムのために新たに開発されたものである 


 * "The 'T' in the model number means 'TWIN'. 
 * This machine was developed for Setsuna, who has awakened as a 'true breed' of Innovator. 
 * The solar reactors installed were newly developed for the Twin Drive system." 


 * What I find most interesting here is the plural usage of Drives.


 * Also Shindy, lookup at the SEII booklet parts of this discussion page, I've placed some older scans and translations there. By the way, I may reply late to things, I don't come here everyday-SonicSP 06:54, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, thats ok man. anyway sweet this helps alot I'm having trouble linking the sources even though I followed the instructions as best i could haha someone should just help lol
 * oh and about the plural usage of drives well... you know there was gonna be more than one haha.Shindy00 21:05, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * YEEEEESSS! i did it i finally figured out the reference and source stuff i put a link to the site and ooh crap ill make sure i credit the translater sorry dudeShindy00 22:34, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * YEEEEESSS! i did it i finally figured out the reference and source stuff i put a link to the site and ooh crap ill make sure i credit the translater sorry dudeShindy00 22:34, May 25, 2010 (UTC)